> Anyone know where I can buy a copy of this from?  Or
> if there's a website for it?

They're web site is http://www.gpsoft.com 

Active will sell it to you, as will Power (they do a price check), as
will Alive Mediasoft.  Not sure if Eyetech do it, but if they dont -
they should!

Just check out any add in Amiga Format, Amiga Active or any Usergroup
Mag (Amiga Insight, Clubbed, etc. etc.)

Good enough for ya?

P.S.  Just to make ya envious - I got my copy off Power for 10 pounds
cheaper than normal because they priced matched to Active!'s cost at
the time (which I think was just a mis-print in that copy of Amiga
Format!)

Bifford the Youngest.

> Exactly! I went to WOA to buy the whole kit (PPC+BVision) but no one
> had BVisions, damn it! Oh well, when Wipeout arrives shortly, at least
> I can look at the screenshots on the case (sniff!).
> 
Hi Paul,

Wipeout is now available.  Aparently Digital Images got their CDs back
from the presses yesturday so they will be shipping them out to
pre-orderers within the next week or so.

Oh, I love the way Space Station 3000 was announced before Wipeout, but
that it still gets released After Wipeout! Damn bugs: it`d better be
worth the wait!

Bifford the Youngest.

On Wed, 10 Nov 1999 fasih@fasih.demon.co.uk wrote:

> The AteoBus is also a contender but is limited to 2MB for graphics. I
> would
> also like to know more about the AteoBus so if you are an owner/user
> why not
> contact me with your opinions, or reply to this on the AFB.

? limited to 2Mb? The Pixel64 card, yes, the BUS, no. there should be a
3D (voodoo) AteoBUS solution coming soon...the only problem with the
AteoBUS is the actual access speed. if you are after a 'non BVision
solution' then the Z4 may be a better bet. you can hope for a Z4
voodooII card...you may not get one...but the PIV people might not get a
voodoo addon either.  This would leave the only 3D gfx solution as the
CV3D card...an old sad S3 Virge chip  <sigh>


alan

On Wed, 10 Nov 1999, Ben Vost wrote:

> In the UK you can buy it from HiSoft or Eyetech, in German you can buy it
> from Schatztruhe and in Australia you can get it from GPSoftware.

in the UK you can buy it from Schatztruhe too ;-)
 
alan

On Wed, 10 Nov 1999 amipal@yahoo.com wrote:

> Exactly! I went to WOA to buy the whole kit (PPC+BVision) but no one
> had BVisions, damn it! Oh well, when Wipeout arrives shortly, at least
> I can look at the screenshots on the case (sniff!).

you can hope that someone does the CPU Warp3D module. on the PPC this
should give around 5 fps  ;^)

alan

On Wed, 10 Nov 1999 sam@biffordyoungest.u-net.com wrote:

> Oh, I love the way Space Station 3000 was announced before Wipeout, but
> that it still gets released After Wipeout! Damn bugs: it`d better be
> worth the wait!

The programmers behind the Wipeout2097 port are more professional..and
its a port..no need to think of ideas and coding systems

alan

i have been asked to set up a forum and debate for technology which is
no longer interesting or of any use compared to modern technology. 
When i set up my display, i am going to use my old equipment from 1987.
can anyone help?

Hi amimjf@hotmail.com,

On 10-Nov-99 this ASCII block fell out of your virtual mouth: [afb] Re: D=
eveloper CD!!!!

>> The collection of Amiga Mail Volume 1 articles, covering Spring
>> 1987 through January/February 1989=3D20
> well that good,.. i always wanted to know how to write code without
> using any disk based system calls,... 1.3 rom`ers unite.

The Amiga Mail Volume 1 contains developer material and information NOT p=
ublished anywhere else. Not including it would be insane.

>> 1.3, 2.0, 3.1 Native Developer Kits=3D20
> 1.3 cool,. i will have to re-write my fancy mui stuff now then and
> use intuition..!.

The 1.3 NDK was provided on the last two developer CDs also. Why should t=
he next CD be any different? It's there because it may provided informati=
on for programmers not found anywhere else. It also provides good technic=
al insight and historical information on how the OS evolved to it's prese=
nt state.

Regards, Andrew Bell.
-- =


+----------------------------------------+ =

email: mailto:andrew.ab2000@bigfoot.com or
       mailto:andrew@ab2000.prestel.co.uk
web:   http://www2.prestel.co.uk/ab2000
+----------------------------------------+
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On Wed, 10 Nov 1999 fd700990@ntu.ac.uk wrote:

> i have been asked to set up a forum and debate for technology which is
> no longer interesting or of any use compared to modern technology. 
> When i set up my display, i am going to use my old equipment from 1987.
> can anyone help?

sure...get an old TV with no remote, get a tapedriven computer, get a
floppy drive and disk, 3.5" and 5.25" ! a walkman.....a dial telephone
with cord, an 8bit and 16bit console, a 486 PC..of course, if you mean
you need some old equipment, then sorry, i dont have any of it...its of
no use and not interesting! :-)

alan

> > Exactly! I went to WOA to buy the whole kit (PPC+BVision) but no one
> > had BVisions, damn it! Oh well, when Wipeout arrives shortly, at
least
> > I can look at the screenshots on the case (sniff!).
> 
> you can hope that someone does the CPU Warp3D module. on the PPC this
> should give around 5 fps  ;^)

That would be worth it! ;)
I suppose I'm supporting the Amiga games market which is what counts,
right?

Paul
=====
Well look at that. The sun's coming up...
Visit the Amipal website: http://www.geoctites.com/amipal/

On Wed, 10 Nov 1999 amipal@yahoo.com wrote:

> I suppose I'm supporting the Amiga games market which is what counts,
> right?

yep. the 3D games developers are going to have a very hard time if all
these hardware manufacturers keep messing up any card releases! their
current best hope is that DCE come up with the BVision goods!

alan

> > I suppose I'm supporting the Amiga games market which is what
counts,
> > right?
> 
> yep. the 3D games developers are going to have a very hard time if all
> these hardware manufacturers keep messing up any card releases! their
> current best hope is that DCE come up with the BVision goods!

Does anyone know DCE's URL and/or email address? I think I'll give them
a little visit with  my new mind-control device...

Paul
=====
It was... fun.
Visit the Amipal website: http://www.geocities.com/amipal/

On Wed, 10 Nov 1999 amipal@yahoo.com wrote:

> Does anyone know DCE's URL and/or email address? I think I'll give them
> a little visit with  my new mind-control device...

..you want some orange sheeerrrbert?

alan

hi,

just noticed that special reserve are selling an 'Amiga emulator' for
7.99

http://search.reserve.co.uk/action.lasso?-db=products1999.fp3&-format=search2/results.notinline.html&-error=errorsw.html&-lay=charts&-max=30&machine=PC%20M&displaystatus=yes&-token=Charts%20for%20PC%20CD%20ROM%20Multimedia&-find

(or just search www.reserve.co.uk for Amiga)

is this a legal piece of software...considering it'd have to have a 1.3
ROM image ..and what emulator is it?

alan

> is this a legal piece of software...considering it'd have to have a
1.3
> ROM image ..and what emulator is it?

Well, WinUAE has its own minimal ROM so that you don't actually need
the 1.3 ROM, apparently quite a few real old games work. But it'll
probably have ROM images there though, and use the usual "Well, they're
here for your convenience, but you're not allowed to use them if you
don't already own an A500".

I like the way they've said all the software is "shareware".

Hello myself,

On 09-Nov-99, you wrote:


> Hello all,
> 
> Does anybody know how to change (increase) the number of colours in
> OS3.5's icon editor? And yes, I've rtfm...

OK, I've searched long enough for an option to select the number of
colours in Iconed. It seems there isn't one! At least it is not
mentioned in the manual and there is no obvious way to do it...

Maybe Matt could add it on his wishlist?

Regards
-- 
Oliver Esberger - mailto:oliver@websale.de

Andy Mills reckons he knows a bit about [afb] Re: To Be or Not To Be..., but there's more to it than that.

> >- My Apollo 060 Card is still kept by Analogic. They don't reply my e-mail 
> >for 4 months.

> >My question is what can I do at the moment?
 
> Get your Apollo back and take it somewhere that can/will repair it?

I agree totally. Four months is way too long for anything, and if
they're not replying to your messages then they're not worth it. I
would suggest phoning them, because emails are a bit one-sided; you
can't argue unless they reply. Unfortunately it would be hard for you
living in Hong Kong (IIRC) so it's time to put pen to paper, I think.

>  Andy Mills - http://www.wharne.u-net.com
>  South West Amiga Group - http://www.swag.org.uk
>  afb-ot's official webshite - http://www.afb-ot.the-works.org.uk
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Which is rather good, BTW. Especially as you get updates to the SMG
section the day the pics are available ;)

Paul C, who's not telling what SMG is. If you don't know, you don't
want to know
-- 
... What's pink, wrinkled and hangs out your trousers?
    Your gran.

Hi peeps, sorry to be a pain

I asked a couple of questions on the 8th/9th Nov and egroups decided
to play silly buggers at the same time, so would someone mind giving
me a quick rundown of the replies, please?

Suggestion for mag: 101 things we like about Amigas

Parallel Port Problems: Neil Bothwick replied about blowing chips or
something, and I didn't understand. I'm guessing he replied again.

Something else? (can't have been important).

Ta,
Paul C, and a rainbow too
-- 
... Nymphomania, n:
    an illness you hear about but never encounter.

hi,

who was that bloke whinging about the developer D and the 'trash' it
contained...and about how, for the 15 ukp asked for it, they should
include egcs or a compiler?

well, they ARE including a compiler.... StormC !
(its 'only' the 68k version, but os3.5 is only 68k...and for 15 ukp who
should complain???!)

alan

On 09-Nov-99, Alan L.M. Buxey wrote:

> well, for a start, the os3.1 ROM's contain a lot of bug fixes over the
> os3.0 ones...and also CD support.

What use is CD support? I have 3.0 ROMs and use a cd drive successfully.
Plus you still can't boot from one anyway

Mash - 
-- 
Matthew O'Neill - MashMan
HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash

I am Immortal!  I have inside me blood of kings!

On 08-Nov-99, Bert Volders wrote:

> You gotta help me out here. What does ZIV-based mean? Is this the A5000
> thing built according to shelved p5 plans?

ZIV = Zorro 4 ?

Mash - 
-- 
Matthew O'Neill - MashMan
HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash

Where there's a will, there's a dead relative.

On 08-Nov-99, Alex Furmanski wrote:

>> Eject hole?....

> Yeah, the little hole on the front of CD-ROM drives.  Push a
> pin/straightened paper clip in and the drawer pops open a bit so you can
> pull it out.  It's there in case you leave a CD in there and you've no way
> of powering the drive.  Quite clever really.

Wow!, cool :) never knew what the hole was for....

Mash - addicted to holes
-- 
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HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash

Child rearing myth #1: Labor ends when the baby is born.

Hi M.
Somewhere around 09-Nov-99, you spewed some some gumph about [afb] Re:
Pronounce Amiga

> Now, burning question: How do *you* pronounce oregano?

orry - gar - no

Mash - 
-- 
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HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash

Ultra Top Secret Message:  Burn before reading!

On 09-Nov-99, neil.ives@bt.com wrote:

> At the weekend I heard the main Linux man (Mad Dave something?)
> refering to LINN'X, I always thought it was LINE-UX.

Lin-ux (as in linen)

Mash - 
-- 
Matthew O'Neill - MashMan
HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash

Wait a minute my PANTS ARE ON FIRE! SHISSSSS  Ah that feels better

On 09-Nov-99, neil.ives@bt.com wrote:

> switch circuit card to operate the PSU. Ive also used the existing
> LED's on that card for the Amiga ones.

Make sure you either add some resistors or incorporate the original piece of
board with resistors on, else they'll blow. They make work for a few days,
but then they'll blow

Mash - 
-- 
Matthew O'Neill - MashMan
HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash

I diet religiously:  I eat what I want and pray I don't gain weight.

On 08-Nov-99, Patrice Champarou wrote:

> P.S. I-WANT-TO-KNOW-IF-AMIGA-IS-STRESSED-ON-THE-FIRST-OR-SECOND-SYLLABLE!

2nd.

am - MEEEEEEEE - ga


Mash - 
-- 
Matthew O'Neill - MashMan
HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash

$665.95 - retail beast price

Hi M.
Somewhere around 09-Nov-99, you spewed some some gumph about [afb] Re:
suicidal Amigans

>> I (or `A') = Amps, V = Volts, I times V = Watts, hence IV Watts

> What *does* I stand for again?

> I seem to have forgotten everything I did in A-Levels..

Impedance (I think) from GCSE

Mash - 
-- 
Matthew O'Neill - MashMan
HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash

You tell 'em Manicurist, I've been trimmed.

Hi

Who is that young lass who took so much trouble to get onto the imagine
mailing list?

Mash
-- 
Matthew O'Neill - MashMan
HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash

When you castrate a "Q", do you get an "O?"

On Tue, 9 Nov 1999, Matthew O'Neill wrote:

> On 09-Nov-99, Alan L.M. Buxey wrote:
> 
> > well, for a start, the os3.1 ROM's contain a lot of bug fixes over the
> > os3.0 ones...and also CD support.
> 
> What use is CD support? I have 3.0 ROMs and use a cd drive successfully.
> Plus you still can't boot from one anyway

with os3.1 you should be able to

alan

On Tue, 9 Nov 1999, Matthew O'Neill wrote:

> ZIV = Zorro 4 ?

errr, yes   why?

alan

On Tue, 9 Nov 1999, Matthew O'Neill wrote:

> Wow!, cool :) never knew what the hole was for....

back to OEM again...if you had a manual for that CD drive...

alan

hi,

theres a new version of WBCtrl on aminet which now works (apparently)
with FBlit...Matt..you might want to try it.

nice to see other os3.5 utils popping up  - and also older tools gaining
os3.5 support quickly.

alan

matthew o'neill <mas-@myamiga.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: 
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/afb/?start=36432

> >> I (or `A') = Amps, V = Volts, I times V = Watts, hence IV Watts
> 
> > What *does* I stand for again?

I stands for the current (in amps, hence the unit A).
Power P=IV and power is in Watts.

Ben

> > You gotta help me out here. What does ZIV-based mean? Is this the A5000
> > thing built according to shelved p5 plans?
> ZIV = Zorro 4 ?

No - ZIV=Z4=Z4

They cannot call it Zorro 4 or Zorro IV due to "Zorro" being a trademark,
etc... Wasn't this mentioned in the review in AF?

l8r
-- 

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Here are the results of the vote:

1. No, I won't be able to afford it (or the upgrades needed).			1
2. No, I still think that it's a waste of time.			2
3. I'll get it when I can be bothered.			5
4. Yes, I ordered it straight away.			8
5. I'll get it when I have the money.			9
6. Yes, I preordered.			16

Here are the results of the vote:

1. Workbench yes.  All others, no.			1
2. They should be, but not all under one roof.  			2
3. They should be, but not all under one roof.  "Big" prefs for inividual areas.			5
4. Not fussed really.			6
5. Yes.			6
6. No.			16

Hi Paul,

On 09-Nov-99 you wrote:

>>  afb-ot's official webshite - http://www.afb-ot.the-works.org.uk
>   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Which is rather good, BTW.

It is actually and, coincidentally enough, it's just been updated :)

> Especially as you get updates to the SMG
> section the day the pics are available ;)

Erm, well you might but as I've just changed the password (a neccessary act
since someone (who shall remain nameless) foolishly posted the ftp details
to the list :-/) so there won't be any updates for a bit (until the new
password has been circulated).

Aaaaanyway, we (the afb-ot type persons) haven't had an advertising campaign
for a while so uhm, this is one:  Come to afb-ot - there's women on /our/
list (two women actually (well, maybe debatably) although they're both taken
so uhm, I might as well not have said anything)!

> Paul C, who's not telling what SMG is. If you don't know, you don't
> want to know

Or, if you really do want to know, you could always visit the website or
better still, join the list by sending a blank email to:
afb-ot-subscribe@egroups.com

Martin, king of afb-ot.
-- 
<tsb>MartinJTaylor mailto:baseheadz@bigfoot.com
<tsb>afb-ot:  our maderator lets us say fuck!
-- 

Hi Matt and Matt,

On 09-Nov-99 you wrote:

>>> I (or `A') = Amps, V = Volts, I times V = Watts, hence IV Watts

>> What *does* I stand for again?

>> I seem to have forgotten everything I did in A-Levels..

> Impedance (I think) from GCSE

Ignorance?  Irritating?  Impudence?

<d> :)

Martin, irate., 
-- 
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<tsb>http://www.3amigas.freeserve.co.uk
-- 

Hello Alan L.M. Buxey,
 your comments on [afb] Re: Single big prefs program have got me thinking
>hi,

>> Just tried it and it worked perfectly. I'll have to RTFM one of these days
>> ;-)

>well, one of these days i'll actually have a look at the DOpusII
>companion C that i bought! ;-)

>alan

I've got one of those. It's a round shiny thing! ;-)

__________________________________________________
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---------------------------------------------------
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Tech:"Yes."
Customer:"My computer isn't working now."
Tech:"Yes, you said that.

Hi all,

Just in case anyone even cared, I'm happy to announce that I've installed
the 3.1 ROMs and OS3.5 on my A4000 with no problems, apart from 3.5 needing
20Mb of hard-disk, which was all I gave the System partition originally.
So, apart from a hasty bit of backing-up and repartitioning, no sweat!  :)

Regards,
Jonny (re-installing patches).

--
Someday we'll look back on all this and plough into a parked car.

Hi Matthew,

>> You gotta help me out here. What does ZIV-based mean? Is this the A5000
>> thing built according to shelved p5 plans?

> ZIV = Zorro 4 ?

Nope. There's no such thing as Zorro IV. It can't be called that for legal
reasons. It stands for Z4.

All the best,
-- 
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Editor, Amiga Format            F: (+44) 01225 732275
             PGP key available upon request
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Why is the word abbreviation so long?

On 09-Nov-99 00:44:28, Andy Mills said about [afb] Re: suicidal Amigans:
> Hello Ian Urie, on 06-Nov-99 02:18:23 you said about:
>   [afb] Re: suicidal Amigans 

>>On 04-Nov-99 18:26:05, Chris Andrews said about [afb] Re: suicidal Amigans:
>>> On Thu, 4 Nov 1999, Alan L.M. Buxey wrote:
>>>> >   It's easy if you know my mate's Gran:  Ivy Watts   ;)
>>>> 
>>>> or Charley Watts, the famous muso ;-)

>>>   Erm, unless I've missed the subtlety of your joke.  I was refering to
>>> the equation:  IV = Watts ;) 


>>  Erm, IV = voltamps not Watts  :)

> I (or `A') = Amps, V = Volts, I times V = Watts, hence IV Watts

Really ? On an AC single phase system IV = voltamps or apparent power!!
True power (watts)requires IV times the power factor.
Also from another mail about this...it is I squared Z not I squared R as it
is an AC circuit and impedance is used instead of resistance.
Since the original mail was about sticking earthed conductors(fingers) into
a "live" unit, watts is used as an electrical measurement.

Trust me :)
And,before anyone asks.... No,I don't have blackened fingertips :)


-- 
Ian Urie  <ianurie@jwu.u-net.com>
Uin:19729444
Do blondes prefer gentlemen?

Hi Andy

> >What *does* I stand for again?
>
> >I seem to have forgotten everything I did in A-Levels..
>
> It's a while since I did anything on this, but IIRC it's Inductance, or
> summat.

No.  Inductance is measured in <snigger> <titter> Henries <laugh> <guffaw>
<chortle>

Tatty byes
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ICQ - 51206302

This week's lie: There was only one member of Take That, called Kevin, but
he was able to fool the eye into seeing more than one person by moving
extremely fast.  The real reason for "Robbie" leaving was Kevin beginning to
feel the onset of age, and no longer being able move as quickly as before.

Hi fool

> >>  afb-ot's official webshite - http://www.afb-ot.the-works.org.uk
> >   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > Which is rather good, BTW.
>
> It is actually and, coincidentally enough, it's just been updated :)
>
> > Especially as you get updates to the SMG
> > section the day the pics are available ;)
>
> Erm, well you might but as I've just changed the password (a neccessary
act
> since someone (who shall remain nameless) foolishly posted the ftp details
> to the list :-/) so there won't be any updates for a bit (until the new
> password has been circulated).
>
> Aaaaanyway, we (the afb-ot type persons) haven't had an advertising
campaign
> for a while so uhm, this is one:  Come to afb-ot - there's women on /our/
> list (two women actually (well, maybe debatably) although they're both
taken
> so uhm, I might as well not have said anything)!

Although there's the fact there might be a woman on here being debated at
the moment .  Non-ot'ers will not get this joke and therefore think I'm
stark raving bonkers.  In case you didn't already.

> Martin, king of afb-ot.
> --
> <tsb>MartinJTaylor mailto:baseheadz@bigfoot.com
> <tsb>afb-ot:  our maderator lets us say fuck!

He does, y'know.

Tatty byes
--
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WWW: http://www.furmanskinet.connectfree.co.uk
ICQ - 51206302

This week's lie: There was only one member of Take That, called Kevin, but
he was able to fool the eye into seeing more than one person by moving
extremely fast.  The real reason for "Robbie" leaving was Kevin beginning to
feel the onset of age, and no longer being able move as quickly as before.

Hi,
    
    I have a EZ- Tower with an ONBoard (to give zorro inputs) anyway does
anyone have or know about this device. The ONBoard is from a German company
RBM (I have emailed them but no joy yet) anyway this device comes in 3 parts
the :-

1, ONBoard (where you connect zorro stuff onto)
2, OnBoard 1200
3, OnBoard 1200 adapter

The OnBoard 1200 adapter goes onto the trapdoor connector in a A1200 so as to
give an edge connector back (so you can put say a Blizzard 1260 onto) this
goes on to the OnBoard 1200 which connect up to the OnBoard itself all zorro
ready.

My problem is the OnBoard 1200 adapter there is 4 coloured wires that go onto
a plug that connects up to the motherboard on the A1200 (CN14 I think). I
think this is for power anyway the coloure wires are black,brown,red,orange
and yellow. These wires then go on to the OnBoard 1200 adapter which are
soldered to. This is where my trouble lays as some of the wires have come
away. All that is left connected is yellow and orange which look in same
sequence as on the plug are the other 3 wires the same sequence as the plug?

I don't want to risk putting wrong wires in wrong place, can anyone please
help 


Sorry about boring anyone
   
See You
-- 
                 Cheers all the best

                       Ken 




  

On Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 06:16:54PM +0000, Alan L.M. Buxey wrote:

> > What use is CD support? I have 3.0 ROMs and use a cd drive successfully.
> > Plus you still can't boot from one anyway
> 
> with os3.1 you should be able to

Only with 40.70, which has timing bugs - most released ROMs are either
40.62 or 40.68 depending on which machine they're for. They don't have
cd.device built in, so it's not possible to boot off CD.

-- 
Matthew Garrett | mjg59@cam.ac.uk

Ben Vost wrote:

>> It most definately *IS* Line-UX pronounced after Linus (Pronounced
>> Line-US) Torvalds the creator of Linux.
>
> ...whose name is actually pronounced Leenus...

And who, in an interview on TV, pronounced it 'linnux'.

Regards,
Jonny (adding weight).

--
If a motorist cuts you up, just turn the other cheek. Nothing gets the
message across like a good mooning.

Matt Sealey wrote:

> Omega Pronunciation: [OW0 M EH1 G AH0]
> 
> O may gah

I could be wrong, I could be right....

For what it's worth, Collins has it as:

Ohmiga.
^^

Regards,
Jonny (arguing the toss).

--
Quantum Mechanics - the dreams stuff is made of.

Patrice wrote:

> That's all right, two wyttes be farre better than one :)
> ( yes, being pedantic again; so what? )
> Let me know if you want the "prize", I would never send anything without
> permission, especially something useless ;-)

Nah, s'okay, but thanks for the offer. Smile at a stranger instead. (It'll
scare 'em witless).  :)

Regards,
Jonny.

--
I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize.

Hello,

My 3.5 CD isn't readable via AmiCDFS 2.40. It just tries.. and tries..
forever - just like T-zero CD earlier. Lucky me to have CacheCDFS also -
it works. Any comments? I tried several control options of AmiCDFS - no
help.

Kind regards
-- 
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proud owner of A500 powerhouse ala '91
now cooking with A4000/233PPC

Hi Philip,

On 10-Nov-99 08:43:44 GMT, Philip Meason wrote:

> Where do I sign up?  I tried signing up with V3 yesterday at
> btinternet.com but couldn't get anywhere so I will have to ring them
> if no-one else has had any success.

Errrm... you're getting a little ahead of yourself - the new tariff will
not be introduced until the middle of December, and full details are not
yet available.

Besides, as far as I understand it, the new tariff will not be available
direct to BT customers, but to ISPs instead (including BTInternet,
obviously).  Therefore, you will pay nothing to BT for net access phone
calls - instead you will pay a fixed fee each month to your ISP.

Anyway, it's a bit pointless commenting any further on the details, as
BT haven't mentioned them yet :)  I just hope the package is worthwhile
and not another stupid scheme like all BT's ridiculous discount
options.

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<tsb>

On 10-Nov-99 11:20:35 GMT, Alan L.M. Buxey wrote:

> the new Amiga developer CD 2.1  is about to be released...this will have
> all the latest developer stuff for os3.5 and more!

Anybody know who will be stocking it in the UK, and the price?  I may
order it from Schatztruhe, especially if it's going to save me money :)

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Anywhere with SMG on it has to be good 80)  Woohoo I am off to have
lookie see 80)
Peace
Zanthras
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http://www.amiga.com

----- Original Message -----
From: Oliver Roberts <oliver.roberts@iname.com>
To: Alan L.M. Buxey <afb@egroups.com>
Sent: 10 November 1999 18:41
Subject: [afb] Re: Developer CD!!!!


> Anybody know who will be stocking it in the UK, and the price?  I may
> order it from Schatztruhe, especially if it's going to save me money :)

This is nothing to do with the subject, but I thought I'd just say "I'm back".
I've sorted out the email problems I've been having lately and I'm finally
receiving afb again. I now know how you feel Fool :)

Neil

> Hi Philip,
> 
> On 10-Nov-99 08:43:44 GMT, Philip Meason wrote:
> 
> > Where do I sign up?  I tried signing up with V3 yesterday at
> > btinternet.com but couldn't get anywhere so I will have to ring them
> > if no-one else has had any success.
> 
> Errrm... you're getting a little ahead of yourself - the new tariff will
> not be introduced until the middle of December, and full details are not
> yet available.
I want to sign up to the free weekender anyway. 80)
Peace
Z
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http://www.amiga.com

Hey Ben,

> Hi Godzilla,
>
> > It most definately *IS* Line-UX pronounced after Linus (Pronounced
> > Line-US) Torvalds the creator of Linux.
>
> ...whose name is actually pronounced Leenus...

Maybe in some backward 3rd world country it is, but in the real world it's
Line-Us. :)
(I hadn't' read this list in 5 days and had 750 messages and that was the
only one I replied to. I then read a few more messages along that thread and
decided that it was going to be a no-win situation...) (I also promptly
deleted 700 of those messages to save on my waning sanity.) :)
Anyway, pronounce it how you want... (Although it gives me a cramp to hear
people say "Leenux" or "Lihn-x". fortunately for me, they are outnumbered
10-1 by people that pronounce it "Line-X")
Also.. A little piece of trivia for those of you not following US Politics
(Although it seems to be a favorite pass-time for Europeans.)
The US Congress spent roughly 1.2 Million dollars bickering over the
pronunciation of the word Harassment. It seems some chicks decided it should
be "Hair-iss-Ment" and not "Her-Ass-Ment".. Seems they didn't like the word
ASS being related to that word.
So we in this list are not unique in our lack of ability to agree on how to
say a word.. we just don't (And couldn't) take it to those extremes. Thank
god!
Regards,
Jack

Hello people,

> In the UK you can buy it from HiSoft or Eyetech, in German you can buy it
> from Schatztruhe and in Australia you can get it from GPSoftware.
> 

Actually I only noticed the other day although I bought my copy off
Active according to the box my local distributor is Small Biz,
Australia.  Which seems a bloody long way from Lancashire ;-)

Carl
Not in Austrailia

Hello There,

>  I'm using Hotline FTP server and address 192.168.1.1. Subnet
> mask 255.255.255.0 (Those numbers were a friend's advice, who is a Mac
> expert). On the Amiga I have a CN40BC card, when MiamiInit starts
> configuring it, it reports an error message saying "Miami is unable to open
> device "cnet.device" unit 0. The device might be in use. Error 0"

Umm... admittedly my network knowledge stopped after Netware 386 :-) 
but I do know that the Subnet mask last number has to be different on
all the machines eg your Mac is using 255.255.255.0 so your Amiga
would have to be 255.255.255.1 (if you can set this) otherwise try
setting the Mac to 255.255.255.1 or something.

Carl
Accy, Lancs.

> > I'm working out how to do a diabolic smiley . . .
> 
> }:%D>
> 

So thats what the Blair witch looks like...

Carl
Accy, Lancs (nowhere near a wood)

Hi,

Hows about this. I have Workbench, PPaint and Blacks Editor open, which makes
3 screens, yes? Strange thing is, I can only do anything on the PPaint screen
and the Blacks Editor screen. Workbench refuses to do anything. How odd :)

Neil

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  Justify my text? I'm sorry but it has no excuse.

On Wed, 10 Nov 1999, Godzilla wrote:
> > ...whose name is actually pronounced Leenus...
> 
> Maybe in some backward 3rd world country it is, but in the real world it's
> Line-Us. :)

  Finland being a backward 3rd world country?  Finland being one of the
most technicalogically (sp) aware countries going?  Nice one.  

  My Dad is bigger than your Dad.  So there.  In fact, I'll ask him. 
Maybe we can add a forth irrelevant and pointless pronounciation into the
bargin. 

> So we in this list are not unique in our lack of ability to agree on how to
> say a word.. we just don't (And couldn't) take it to those extremes. Thank
> god!

  No, we just repeat ourselves over and over.  Isn't it about time for a 
"The WOA should be held in my back yard" dissagreement?


bye,
  Chris - Hoping that "ad infinuim" is a proper phase.

in a fit of rage Philip Meason said something about [afb] Re: BT to offer unmetered net access!

> > > Where do I sign up?  I tried signing up with V3 yesterday at
> > > btinternet.com but couldn't get anywhere so I will have to ring them
> > > if no-one else has had any success.
 
> > Errrm... you're getting a little ahead of yourself - the new tariff will
> > not be introduced until the middle of December, and full details are not
> > yet available.

> I want to sign up to the free weekender anyway. 80)

Unless you never leave the house at weekends, I would seriously look
at Claranet, as I have found their freetime options to be very good.
14.99 per month buys 35 hours of free offpeak time, and any extra is
charged at BT rate minus 20%. Peak rate simply uses your inclusive
minutes at around 3 per minute online.

As I typically use 30 hours per month, this is the deal for me, but
they do various packages for various amounts of inclusive time.

Have a look at http://www.clara.net

Cheers.
-- 
Anthony Prime
>>Powered by Amiga in Crewe
anthony@prime.clara.co.uk

Hello Chris

On 10-Nov-99, you wrote:
>> 
>> SCNR :)
> 
>  The French rail company?                ;)
> 
  No, that's SNCF - Not privatised yet ( cross fingers... )     :)

  Patrice ( about to leave for a while and start 3.5 installation; got my
      helmet and boots on,  sword and shield ready... farewell, folks!)

Hello Matthew

On 09-Nov-99, you wrote:
 
> 2nd.
> 
> am - MEEEEEEEE - ga

  Wonderful how everyone's suddenly getting clear and concise!

  Patrice :)

Hello Jonathan

On 10-Nov-99, you wrote:
> Nah, s'okay, but thanks for the offer. Smile at a stranger instead. (It'll
> scare 'em witless).  :)

  Boohoohoo!!! I don't get it!    ;-( sob!
                                   ,
                                    ,
                                     ,

  Patrice

Hello Jonathan

On 10-Nov-99, you wrote:

> For what it's worth, Collins has it as:
> =

> Ohmiga.

  There are four possible pronunciations!

  The 'oh' is sure. According to Jones, the [mi] can be replaced by [me]
( I mean [e] as in "bed" ) , and Harrap's says that the final 'a' is
neutralised like in 'China', unless the word refers to the Greek letter.

  Patrice  [p=E6'tri:s] =

Whatever happen to the Picasso 5

Darren

/"/Apparantley 1 in 5 people in the world are Chinese. And there are 5
people inmy family, so it must be one of them. It's either my Mum or Dad.
Or my older brother Colin. Or my younger brother HoChaChu. But I think it's
Colin"

To the great T.C

> >> SCNR :)
> >
> >  The French rail company?                ;)
> >
>   No, that's SNCF - Not privatised yet ( cross fingers... )     :)

Hey hey! Didn't I start this thread? How the hell did it get to this? I've
missed it all, I only sent the first post of this thread and never received it
back :)

Neil

Hi,

Hmm... I've just been to the website :) I thought the subject sounded
familiar, because I'm the one making the program. At least I was until I
started on another program, but it will still be made and included in this new
program I'm making. And available seperately too of course :) I ought to
change my sig then, really...

---

>   Spill the beans then.  (Not from the trash can though fnar!)  What is
> this TTrash gonna be then?

A global trashcan thingy, not yet sure about features because I've only got as
far as being able to drop files on it :)

---

> Unstable?
> SCNR :)

I hope not :) SecOS (my current thingy) is actually very stable now I've got
rid of the bug that froze the machine randomly :)

---

Hmm.. well at least I understand how it got to the subject of french rail
companies :)

Neil - who is annoyed by people in Year 9 at his Work experience place :)

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  Okay, who put a "stop payment" on my reality check?

On Wed, 10 Nov 1999, Neil Bullock wrote:
> > >> SCNR :)

> Hey hey! Didn't I start this thread? How the hell did it get to this?
> I've missed it all, I only sent the first post of this thread and never
> received it back :) 

  I'm still waiting for the answers to the two questions that I've posted
in this thread.  They were, erm.  "TTrash, elaborate" and something about
the meaning of SCNR (alough a quick web search has answered that for me!)

  Hmm, I was going to say something else, but it escapes me now...


bye,
  Chris

On Wed, 10 Nov 1999, Neil Bullock wrote:
> >   Spill the beans then.  (Not from the trash can though fnar!)  What is
> > this TTrash gonna be then?
> 
> A global trashcan thingy, not yet sure about features because I've only
> got as far as being able to drop files on it :) 

  Ah, I wrote one of those once ;)   It would even eject the disk if it
was a CD icon.  I got bored of it shortly after.


bye,
  Chris

Following on from the BT unmetered story, see

http://www.theregister.co.uk/991110-000016.html

It seems that unmetered might not /actually mean/ unmetered.

More bundled from the look of it. And that is available elsewhere now.

Cheers.

-- 
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>>Powered by Amiga in Crewe
anthony@prime.clara.co.uk

I was just going to bed, when fool wrote this and I just HAD to read it:

> Hi Paul,

'ello again.

> >>  afb-ot's official webshite - http://www.afb-ot.the-works.org.uk
> >   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > Which is rather good, BTW.
 
> It is actually and, coincidentally enough, it's just been updated :)

What, your bit?

> > Especially as you get updates to the SMG
> > section the day the pics are available ;)
 
> Erm, well you might but as I've just changed the password (a neccessary act
> since someone (who shall remain nameless) 

It was him

> foolishly posted the ftp details to the list :-/) so there won't be
> any updates for a bit (until the new password has been circulated).

Can I 'ave it?

> Aaaaanyway, we (the afb-ot type persons) haven't had an advertising
> campaign for a while so uhm, this is one:  Come to afb-ot - there's
> women on /our/ list (two women actually (well, maybe debatably)
> although they're both taken

Yeah, but we all know Norbert has been looking for someone else for
ages... ;)

> Or, if you really do want to know, you could always visit the
> website or
  ^^^^^^^
Spelling!

> Martin, king of afb-ot.

Yup.

Paul C, going OT just to make the plug a bit bigger. Waddy?! We need a
bigger plug. Ta.
-- 
Right, I'm off to afb-ot. Much more exciting.

Hi Everyone,

I sent this down yesterday and have only just realised that I have not been
receiving AFB remails. I subscribed again so here is the email again.

I thought I would share this with you as it may happen to you......

Through being hamfisted I buggered up my SurfSquirrel and the pins in the
A1200.

I purchased a secondhand A1200 and decided to use the Classic Squirrel from out
of the stock box. By the way, squirrel cables are like gold dust. I have been
waiting 5 months for a replacement from HiSoft but their supplier has
problems. So for now I am using the serial port to get online.

The s/h Amiga is a rev ID.4 as is the one I mucked up. I erased the
SurfSquirrel software and installed the Classic. Keeping to the same cable
configuration of Squirrel to CD-Rom then from CD-Rom to the Zip 100 ( 1
metre lead) resulted in my being told there were checksum errors on all of the
zips.

Connecting the Squirrel to the Zip 100 only ( I had to connect a 1 metre
extension lead with the 50 way female to 25 pin male Zip) still resulted in
Checksum errors.

Borrowing my brother-in-laws 6"  extension connecter solved the
problem. So I put it down to too long a lead.

I then connected the CD-Rom to the second port on the Zip100 and terminated the
2nd. CD-Rom port with a termination block.  Result? Zip checksum errors....
Putting the Zip 100 termination switch back to ON resolved the problem.

During all this hassle other problems were cropping up....
During reboot the hard drive would just go clunk and stop, not always at the
same point. Removing the Squirrel stopped this happening. When it DID bootup
with the Squirrel attached I noticed that it took ages for the system to
recognize a zip had been inserted. Likewise zip removal. I use Magellan as WBR
and have a sound file saying "Disk in" and a chime to indicate zip/disk
removal.

Having a 200 watt psu I did not think there should have been a power problem as
both Zip100 and CD-Rom have their own psu's. The acellerator board is a Magnum
1230 40 mhz/33 mhz fpu and I have three external floppy drives connected.

Removing the three floppies solved both the hard drive stopping and disk in/out
lethargy.

Could there have been a design change even though both Amigas are Rev ID.4?

Conclusion...... Experience is worth having as long as the problem can be
resolved.

Cheers

Bill

On 10-Nov-99 19:58:39 GMT, Pekka Sippola wrote:

> My 3.5 CD isn't readable via AmiCDFS 2.40. It just tries.. and tries..
> forever - just like T-zero CD earlier. Lucky me to have CacheCDFS also -
> it works. Any comments? I tried several control options of AmiCDFS - no
> help.

This ain't going to be much help, but I always used to use AmiCDFS, and
I installed OS 3.5 with no problems while still using AmiCDFS.  I don't
know what the problem is in your case, but AmiCDFS works fine with
the OS 3.5 CD here.

I have since switched to CacheCDFS, which I've had for a couple of
years, without realizing it worked with SCSI devices (I thought it
was atapi only ;(

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<tsb>

From   : Pekka Sippola <pekka.sippola@pp.inet.fi>
Date   : 11-Nov-99
Subject: [afb] 3.5 CD and AmiCDFS

Hello Pekka,

> My 3.5 CD isn't readable via AmiCDFS 2.40. It just tries.. and tries..
> forever - just like T-zero CD earlier. Lucky me to have CacheCDFS also -
> it works. Any comments? I tried several control options of AmiCDFS - no
> help.

Sounds like you need to upgrade to the latest version as that works fine
with both the CDs you mentioned.

Apart from that, I have no idea sorry.

Regards
Dom...
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My *AMIGA* 2000 Made This Possible
Member of Team *AMIGA*

Hi Paul,

> Which is rather good, BTW. Especially as you get updates to the SMG
> section the day the pics are available ;)

Why on earth would I want to look at pictures of small metal grilles ?
I got over that particular fetish years ago ;)

Cheers,

Eddie (mind you, the chrome grilles in the 10mm frame look quite sexy,
if you buffy them up a bit)

> You say potatoe, I say chips...

"Milenium" doesnt bother me, but this does... ITS POTATO! POTATO! aaarrgh=
=2E. (sorry ;)



=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
so long and thanks for all the fish
      http://fly.to/Mr_Tickle
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

Real meanings #3:
MS-DOS: Mostly Shite, Dos Old Software

Hi,

HURRAH! Got my AF131 this morning, so, heres the rundown:

Front Cover

Very good indeed! Much better than the woman from 130, but I probably onl=
y hold that opinion
because I thought she was quite unattractive :) I like the "bar of stuff"=
 (i'd like that to be its official name from now on please :) down the le=
ft hand side.

Page 7

Nice photo of Ben. More panicked AFers please =3DD


Page 14 - OS3.5 review

Ooh, OS3.5 looks funky... looking forward to my next pay cheque so i can =
buy it now :)


Page 18 - Keep your amiga stable

Great idea for a feature. Already figured out most of what was in it, but=
 still a good feature, well done.



Page 24 - PDA's

Whos baby-like hands are those? (suspects colin...)



Page 32 - VGP

Awww... it looks really nice in your screenshots. Now i'm even more disap=
pointed that i've owned it since it came out (one of the first pre-ordere=
rs), and I still dont have an IDE port to plug my CD-Rom into (waiting fo=
r a PowerFlyer gold 4000. Not that it'll ever arrive mind you...)


Page 38 - Sid4Amiga

Does Sid4Amiga sound better than Per Haken Sundell and Ron Birk's good ol=
d PlaySID emulation as used in every generic amiga module player? and is =
it worth trying on this 030 25mhz (STILL wating for a CS MkIII that I ord=
ered at the WoA).

Page 39 - Magic Menu

OOhh.. i downloaded it... those translucent menus are GORGEOUS! mmmmmmm l=
ove them loads. If
only they'd patch Intuitions window render routines with their translucen=
cy routines... :D


Page 58 - JS tutorial

Gave up on this tutorial when V3 pre 5 failed to run even the simplest of=
 examples from the previous month. It doesnt have a Date() function or do=
cumented.LastModified field.


Page 66 - Banging the metal

hahahahah! AMOS! hahahahahahahahah! hahahaha! what a crap tutorial. So fa=
r we havent actually learned to do anything of any use. Why not a C or AS=
M example demonstrating the usage of the custom registers to display spri=
tes, which really isnt that hard, instead of AMOS's completely removed Sp=
rite commands.


Page 70 - Mailbag

Hooray, you printed my letter. And sabrina online isnt as crap as usual.


Page 86 - Just the FAQs

Umm.. say hi to Will Redhouse from me. Used to speak to him on borgnet :)=



Page 88 - Daft bint

Hooray for the sleazy chatline adds in their glorius tacky-vision.


Overall a pretty fab issue, and i've even stopped hating the font, which =
is nice.



=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
so long and thanks for all the fish
      http://fly.to/Mr_Tickle
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

Real meanings #17:
WWW: World Wide Waste

> On Tue, 9 Nov 1999, Alex Furmanski wrote:
>>> which reminds me...why did noone create an LP system for the speccy?
>>> Loading from vinyl might have been quite a faster option.. after all,=

>>> just turn that dial around a bit and you have a 2X drive too! ;-)
>> =

>> Genius!  No more buckled tapes either!  I'm off to my workshop...

>  You'd still have to leave the room whilst waiting for the thing to loa=
d
> though ;)

Umm vinyl would have been more expensive to produce. Plus, the noise on t=
ape is a more-or-less uniform his which can be easily filtered. The noise=
 on Vinyl is also his, but with pops and crackle, which would totally scr=
ew the data. You'd probably need one of those several-thousand-pound lase=
r vinyl players instead of a =A310 cassette player from dixons ;)



=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
so long and thanks for all the fish
      http://fly.to/Mr_Tickle
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

Real meanings #1:
MS-WINDOWS: Mighty Slow When Its Not Dealing Only With Solitaire

> Impedance (I think) from GCSE

Nope. "I" doesnt stand for any word in that sense, it just "is" current. =
(C is capacitance you see). I is impedance, which is resistance. There ar=
e different types of Impedance in a circuit though.


=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
so long and thanks for all the fish
      http://fly.to/Mr_Tickle
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

Real meanings #4:
NETWARE: Never Easily Talks With Any Remote Equipment

Hello Alan Bailey, on 10-Nov-99 11:45:17 you said about:
  [afb] Re: Windows and Workbench 

>Hello Alan

>On 10-Nov-99, you wrote:

>>> Because the Amiga wouldn't act as a server? Because the Amiga doesn't
>>> have any apps that come close to the complexity of such modern
>>> applications?
>> 
>> .....errr, now i know you dont know what you are talking about

>Apache springs to mind.

Indeed, not to mention that it's only a nat's behind the Un*x version
(Amiga Apache is at, the last I looked at version 1.3.4, the unix/linux
version is 1.3.6). Apache, for those that don't know what it is, is
possibly the most used web server on the internet.

The only thing is that you may not get the same amount of security due
to the lack of full multi-user support in the Amiga filesystem. There is
MuFS, but how good it is, I don't know.

Even then, you can still install Linux (Lin as in Linen or Leen-ux,
/not/ Line-ux... ;) on your Amiga and run Apache that way.

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Hello Ben Vost, on 10-Nov-99 08:53:52 you said about:
  [afb] Re: Javascript list? 

>Hi Andy,

>>> Does anyone know of a javascript mailing list?

>> Search http://www.onelist.com or http://www.egroups.com for
>> `javascript', or try Amiwebmaster on Onelist as Neil sudggested.

>Soon you'll only have to search eGroups since Onelist are merging with
>them...

Yeh, I had the announcements about that, which is something I have mixed
feelings about....

Besides, what are they going to call themselves? OneGroup? eLists? ;)

PS The offer I made about the FAQs last Thursday still stands, if
you want me to do it for you....

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Hello Tim Seifert, on 10-Nov-99 10:27:35 you said about:
  [afb] Re: webmap 

>Hello Thomas,

>> Yes, don't use an imagemap, because they are the suckiest addon to
>> HTML ever devised and do a great job of making users leave your side
>> without touching a link.

>Leave your side?  ;-) Just what sort of attraction do you have on your
>website?

>But seriously (cue silly noises), image maps are a thorough pain in
>several ways:  your site becomes virtually inaccessible for the blind;

That's why it's a good idea to have a seperate navigation menu elsewhere
on the page, e.g., at the bottom.

>new web users don't always realise the image map goes to different
>URIs, depending upon where abouts it's clicked;

That also depends on how the map has been designed.

>pages are unnavigatable
>if you don't load images...

Again, another reason to have another (text-link) nav menu.

It all depends on what (and how) the image map's being used for. Done
properly, it should cause no problems....

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Hello Paul Cundle, on 09-Nov-99 23:39:56 you said about:
  [afb] Re: To Be or Not To Be... 

>Andy Mills reckons he knows a bit about [afb] Re: To Be or Not To Be..., but
>there's more to it than that.

>> >- My Apollo 060 Card is still kept by Analogic. They don't reply my e-mail
>> > for 4 months.

>> >My question is what can I do at the moment?
> 
>> Get your Apollo back and take it somewhere that can/will repair it?

>I agree totally. Four months is way too long for anything, and if
>they're not replying to your messages then they're not worth it. I
>would suggest phoning them, because emails are a bit one-sided; you
>can't argue unless they reply. Unfortunately it would be hard for you
>living in Hong Kong (IIRC) so it's time to put pen to paper, I think.

A mate had the same problem with them. In the end he got it back and
took his A4k elsewhere that actually /fixed/ it in a fraction of the
time that Analogic had it sitting around.

>>  Andy Mills - http://www.wharne.u-net.com
>>  South West Amiga Group - http://www.swag.org.uk
>>  afb-ot's official webshite - http://www.afb-ot.the-works.org.uk
>   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Which is rather good, BTW. Especially as you get updates to the SMG
>section the day the pics are available ;)

I'd have to agree, but there again, I am rather biased...

BTW, there was only a couple of hours between the ad being on TV and the
vidcaps being on the site. :)

>Paul C, who's not telling what SMG is. If you don't know, you don't
>want to know

Well, it's not as if I don't go on about SMG enough, is it? ;)

Andy, hoping Maybelline doesn't start waving copyright lawsuits under
his nose... :/

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/*Thank You Alan L.M. Buxey For Your Email Dated 10-Nov-99*/
 
> well, it usually works out that the biggest answer is the most popular
> drive make....if you dont like your old Quantum, for example, get a nice
> new 4.3Gb fujitsu drive for 60 ukp

What dealer is this?
<tsb>
 
                     JINKY              
      ***********************************
      Infinitiv A1300 ZII PIV + Conceirto           
             CTX 15" Trinitron SVGA                        
      GI-Quatro - HD - CD-ROM - Atapi ZIP       
         Blizzard 1230IV + FPU + 32MB          
               Pace 56k (V.90)                  
           Epson Stylus Photo 700             
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 "Bother," said Pooh, as Satan laid his soul to waste.

  
  

Hello Oliver


> This ain't going to be much help, but I always used to use AmiCDFS,
> and I installed OS 3.5 with no problems while still using AmiCDFS. I
> don't know what the problem is in your case, but AmiCDFS works fine
> with the OS 3.5 CD here.

I may have read of somebody who had to change to an older version of AmiCDFS
to get it to work ??
Maybe it's a quirk of my Imes 8x drive. But it has read everything
except T-Zero and OS 3.5 during an year.
 
Regards
-- 
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now cooking with A4000/233PPC

Hello Dominique



>> My 3.5 CD isn't readable via AmiCDFS 2.40. It just tries.. and
>> tries.. forever - just like T-zero CD earlier. Lucky me to have


> Sounds like you need to upgrade to the latest version as that works
> fine with both the CDs you mentioned.

...and I thought 2.40 is the latest one...

Regards
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now cooking with A4000/233PPC

> Hows about this. I have Workbench, PPaint and Blacks Editor open,
which makes
> 3 screens, yes? Strange thing is, I can only do anything on the
PPaint screen
> and the Blacks Editor screen. Workbench refuses to do anything. How
odd :)

PPaint sometimes closes th WB screen when it feels that there isn't
enough memory available. You can stop it using the last menu (can't
think of the title).

Paul
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> Could there have been a design change even though both Amigas are Rev
ID.4?

Wo wo wo... even though both Amigas are Rev 1D4? That revision
motherboard is prone to problems; I know, I have one!

Paul
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Hi Jonathan,

>>> It most definately *IS* Line-UX pronounced after Linus (Pronounced
>>> Line-US) Torvalds the creator of Linux.
>> =

>> ...whose name is actually pronounced Leenus...

> And who, in an interview on TV, pronounced it 'linnux'.

=2E..to an argument that's already been held on here at least twice befor=
e...

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Hi Darren,

> Whatever happen to the Picasso 5

You mean the thing in the *"joke" CU2000 insert into one of their last
issues? It was a *joke*.

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Hi Chris,

>  Chris - Hoping that "ad infinuim" is a proper phase.

ad infinitum.

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wondering what it would be like to be eaten by ants.

Hi Peter,

> Front Cover

> Very good indeed! Much better than the woman from 130, but I probably only
> hold that opinion because I thought she was quite unattractive :) I like
> the "bar of stuff" (i'd like that to be its official name from now on
> please :) down the left hand side.

Um. It's not on the next issue, but will probably be resumed at some point.
What did you think of having the corner flash on the right instead of the
left?

> Page 14 - OS3.5 review

> Ooh, OS3.5 looks funky... looking forward to my next pay cheque so i can
> buy it now :)

Good.

> Page 18 - Keep your amiga stable

> Great idea for a feature. Already figured out most of what was in it, but
> still a good feature, well done.

Ta.

> Page 24 - PDA's

> Whos baby-like hands are those? (suspects colin...)

You're right. He does all the AF washing up in Fairy, so he has hands that
stay soft.

> Page 38 - Sid4Amiga

> Does Sid4Amiga sound better than Per Haken Sundell and Ron Birk's good old
> PlaySID emulation as used in every generic amiga module player? and is it
> worth trying on this 030 25mhz (STILL wating for a CS MkIII that I ordered
> at the WoA).

Dunno, personally, since I'm an inveterate MOD hater...

> Page 39 - Magic Menu

> OOhh.. i downloaded it... those translucent menus are GORGEOUS! mmmmmmm
> love them loads. If only they'd patch Intuitions window render routines
> with their translucency routines... :D

Nice though, eh?


> Page 58 - JS tutorial

> Gave up on this tutorial when V3 pre 5 failed to run even the simplest of
> examples from the previous month. It doesnt have a Date() function or
> documented.LastModified field.

Oh well.

> Page 66 - Banging the metal

> hahahahah! AMOS! hahahahahahahahah! hahahaha! what a crap tutorial. So far
> we havent actually learned to do anything of any use. Why not a C or ASM
> example demonstrating the usage of the custom registers to display
> sprites, which really isnt that hard, instead of AMOS's completely removed
> Sprite commands.

It's not so much learning to do stuff as having knowledge of the stuff your
Amiga does behind the scenes so you can manipulate it.

> Page 70 - Mailbag

> Hooray, you printed my letter. And sabrina online isnt as crap as usual.

Hooray.

> Page 86 - Just the FAQs

> Umm.. say hi to Will Redhouse from me. Used to speak to him on borgnet :)

Um, maybe not since I've only met him once (in a Belgian restaurant in
London) and didn't really speak to him there...

> Page 88 - Daft bint

> Hooray for the sleazy chatline adds in their glorius tacky-vision.

You gotta love 'em...

> Overall a pretty fab issue, and i've even stopped hating the font, which
> is nice.

Groovy!

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try this: http://www.dilbert.com

Peter G. scrawled in an excited manner:

> 
> HURRAH! Got my AF131 this morning, so, heres the rundown:
> 

Noooooo. I'm still in California :(

I WANT MY AMIGA FORMAT
boo, hoo

l8r

PS never mind, it will be waiting for me when I walk in the house on Friday
morning :)

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First of all, thank you Ben for connecting me back on the list.

Hi Everyone.

I thought I would share this with you as it may happen to you......

Through being hamfisted I buggered up my SurfSquirrel and the pins in the
A1200.

I purchased a secondhand A1200 and decided to use the Classic Squirrel from out
of the stock box. By the way, squirrel cables are like gold dust. I have been
waiting 5 months for a replacement from HiSoft but their supplier has
problems. So for now I am using the serial port to get online.

The s/h Amiga is a rev ID.4 as is the one I mucked up. I erased the
SurfSquirrel software and installed the Classic. Keeping to the same cable
configuration of Squirrel to CD-Rom then from CD-Rom to the Zip 100 ( 1
metre lead) resulted in my being told there were checksum errors on all of the
zips.

Connecting the Squirrel to the Zip 100 only ( I had to connect a 1 metre
extension lead with the 50 way female to 25 pin male Zip) still resulted in
Checksum errors.

Borrowing my brother-in-laws 6"  extension connecter solved the
problem. So I put it down to too long a lead.

I then connected the CD-Rom to the second port on the Zip100 and terminated the
2nd. CD-Rom port with a termination block.  Result? Zip checksum errors....
Putting the Zip 100 termination switch back to ON resolved the problem.

During all this hassle other problems were cropping up....
During reboot the hard drive would just go clunk and stop, not always at the
same point. Removing the Squirrel stopped this happening. When it DID bootup
with the Squirrel attached I noticed that it took ages for the system to
recognize a zip had been inserted. Likewise zip removal. I use Magellan as WBR
and have a sound file saying "Disk in" and a chime to indicate zip/disk
removal.

Having a 200 watt psu I did not think there should have been a power problem as
both Zip100 and CD-Rom have their own psu's. The acellerator board is a Magnum
1230 40 mhz/33 mhz fpu and I have three external floppy drives connected.

Removing the three floppies solved both the hard drive stopping and disk in/out
lethargy.

Could there have been a design change even though both Amigas are Rev ID.4?

Conclusion...... Experience is worth having as long as the problem can be
resolved.

Cheers

Bill

hi,

> Just in case anyone even cared, I'm happy to announce that I've installed
> the 3.1 ROMs and OS3.5 on my A4000 with no problems, apart from 3.5 needing
> 20Mb of hard-disk, which was all I gave the System partition originally.
> So, apart from a hasty bit of backing-up and repartitioning, no sweat!  :)

yay! :-)

I'd forgotten how much I'd given my system partition...100Mb it was...
20Mb of that for fonts

alan

...middle of december until new tariff... you know why they are
introducing this new scheme and putting 100 million ukp into the
infratsructure? Just look at the profits they announced today!

alan

On Thu, 11 Nov 1999, Simon Jenkins wrote:

> > drive make....if you dont like your old Quantum, for example, get a nice
> > new 4.3Gb fujitsu drive for 60 ukp
> 
> What dealer is this?

microdirect , insight, etc etc

alan

On Thu, Nov 11, 1999 at 12:13:45AM +0000, Andy Mills wrote:

> 
> Even then, you can still install Linux (Lin as in Linen or Leen-ux,
> /not/ Line-ux... ;) on your Amiga and run Apache that way.
> 

Or install NetBSD and not have any pronunciation problems :)


l8r
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> Hello There,
>
> >  I'm using Hotline FTP server and address 192.168.1.1. Subnet
> > mask 255.255.255.0 (Those numbers were a friend's advice, who is a Mac
> > expert). On the Amiga I have a CN40BC card, when MiamiInit starts
> > configuring it, it reports an error message saying "Miami is unable to
open
> > device "cnet.device" unit 0. The device might be in use. Error 0"
>
> Umm... admittedly my network knowledge stopped after Netware 386 :-)
> but I do know that the Subnet mask last number has to be different on
> all the machines eg your Mac is using 255.255.255.0 so your Amiga
> would have to be 255.255.255.1 (if you can set this) otherwise try
> setting the Mac to 255.255.255.1 or something.
>
> Carl
> Accy, Lancs.

No.. the IP address needs to be different.. but the Subnet Mask is supposed
to be the SAME on all.. and if your subnet mask is 255.255.255.0 then you
have a Class "C" (Full) IP License. Which means you can have 256 devices in
one subnet with unique IP addresses... anyway.. not to get too deep into
it.. you DO need the same subnet mask as your License allows. (And it will
be the same across the whole subnet.)

Regards,
Jack

From: Chris Andrews <ca@fortunecity.com>
To: <afb@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 1:26 PM
Subject: [afb] Re: Pronounce Linux


> On Wed, 10 Nov 1999, Godzilla wrote:
> > > ...whose name is actually pronounced Leenus...
> >
> > Maybe in some backward 3rd world country it is, but in the real world
it's
> > Line-Us. :)
>
>   Finland being a backward 3rd world country?  Finland being one of the
> most technicalogically (sp) aware countries going?  Nice one.

Actually Chris... in Finland it's "Line-US".. nice one though.. It's a 3rd
world (Uneducated) country that woiuld mispronounce it otherwise.

Jack

_Replying to a message_:

  From:  Neil Bothwick <neil@wire.net.uk>
   Via:  Amiga Format mailing list <afb@egroups.com>
 Dated:  Wednesday, 10-Nov-99, 21:34:58
 About:  [afb] Re: Single big prefs program 


Hello Neil,

>>> You *did* drop them onto the Item listview didn't you? Trying to
>>> create a menu (as opposed to a menu item) for each program is
>>> unlikely to have the desired effect (unless you desire garbage).
 
>> I did exactly what I described above.  Dragging and dropping a single
>> program from a lister works as expected.  Selecting a group and
>> dropping it fails spectacularly.
 
> Where, exactly, did you drop the icons?
> 
> You need to create the menu before you can drop anything into its Item
> list.

Okay test one:
-------------
Open menu editor, start a new menu (to avoid complications with other
ones), drag one file, and drop it into the panel to the right of the
newly created menu title.

And a new entry is created, with the name of the file in the menu too,
and the function is set to load the file as Workbench, or CLI (as
suited to the file.

This works.


Test two:
--------
Now do the same thing, but drop a group of files instead of one.  This
goes peculiar.  You get repeats of other menus, and the complete list
of the DOpus commands, one after another as separate menu items.


Test three:
----------
Now try dropping a project icon with IconX as the default tool, and it
does something odd.  You get this (below) in the function editor.

Workbench  C:IconX Seagate0:BBS/BBS_1200

           ^^^^^^^   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
             \                \
              shouldn't        script to start my BBS
              be here          with a specific config
              at all.

Bye,
Tim.  (B.A. T.L.M.N.)

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_Replying to a message_:

  From:  Neil Bothwick <neil@wire.net.uk>
   Via:  Amiga Format mailing list <afb@egroups.com>
 Dated:  Wednesday, 10-Nov-99, 21:33:05
 About:  [afb] Re: webmap 


Hello Neil,

>> But seriously (cue silly noises), image maps are a thorough pain in
>> several ways: your site becomes virtually inaccessible for the blind;
>> new web users don't always realise the image map goes to different
>> URIs, depending upon where abouts it's clicked; pages are
>> unnavigatable if you don't load images...
 
> The latter is the fault of the browsers. They should display the ALT
> text when the image isn't loaded. A blind user should be OK because a
> speaking browser ought to handle the ALT text. If there's no ALT text
> it's the fault of the page author, and just as limiting as individual
> images without such text.

Ah, but the alt text only mentions the one image, not all the links you
could follow from different parts of the image.  And that's only if
they bother to do this.

> Client side image maps are a good idea that suffers in the
> implementation.

Yes, agreed.

Bye,
Tim.  (B.A. T.L.M.N.)

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> theres a new version of WBCtrl on aminet which now works (apparently)
> with FBlit...Matt..you might want to try it.

Duh! Who do you think badgered Stephan for FBlit support in the first
place? :)

> nice to see other os3.5 utils popping up  - and also older tools gaining
> os3.5 support quickly.

Given that all the OS3.5 specific tools are being written by beta testers
anyway, it's no big deal. But the support for OS3.5 from third parties (with
regards to bugfixing stuff - like VisualPrefs) is bigger and quicker executed
that I expected..

Neko

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On Thu, Nov 11, 1999 at 02:06:28AM -0800, Godzilla wrote:

> No.. the IP address needs to be different.. but the Subnet Mask is supposed
> to be the SAME on all.. and if your subnet mask is 255.255.255.0 then you
> have a Class "C" (Full) IP License. Which means you can have 256 devices in
> one subnet with unique IP addresses... anyway.. not to get too deep into
> it.. you DO need the same subnet mask as your License allows. (And it will
> be the same across the whole subnet.)

That would be 254 devices then - as 0/255 are broadcast addresses and
unusable :)

Always best to stick to a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0 - otherwise, your IP
addresses *may not* be in the same subnet - even though they have sequential
numbers :)

l8r
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> > Hello all,
> > 
> > Does anybody know how to change (increase) the number of colours in
> > OS3.5's icon editor? And yes, I've rtfm...
>
> OK, I've searched long enough for an option to select the number of
> colours in Iconed. It seems there isn't one! At least it is not
> mentioned in the manual and there is no obvious way to do it...
>
> Maybe Matt could add it on his wishlist?

Do I have to?

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> I'd forgotten how much I'd given my system partition...100Mb it was...
> 20Mb of that for fonts

I've always had my AmigaOS: partition as 100Mb, just in case... 1Gb for
Programs:, 1.7Gb for Games:, 1Gb for Browser:, 100Mb for Utilities:,
and 400Mb for Misc:

Paul
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Hi Neil,

On 10-Nov-99 you wrote:

> This is nothing to do with the subject,

It is now :)

> but I thought I'd just say "I'm
> back". I've sorted out the email problems I've been having lately and I'm
> finally receiving afb again. I now know how you feel Fool :)

Uh, no.  You'll know how I felt when you've had it happen every three days
for two months.  You'll know how I felt when you're on first name terms with
egroups "support" staff.  You'll know how I felt when you've started arguing
with the support staff over the fact that you're only bouncing on one list
and everything's fine on all the others.  You'll know how I felt when you get
to the point that you stop receiving mails from an egroups list (afb-movie
in case anyone was wondering why I'm so quiet over there) and you can't be
bothered to do anything about it...

Actually, /now/ you probably do know how I feel about the whole thing :)

Martin, and that's fool with a small "f".
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Hi Alex,

On 10-Nov-99 you wrote:

> Although there's the fact there might be a woman on here being debated at
> the moment .

Ah yes, the bearded-circus-freak-woman that Paul fancies...

> Non-ot'ers will not get this joke and therefore think I'm
> stark raving bonkers.  In case you didn't already.

Ot'ers (who object to being called that BTW - I prefer "bots" :) will get
the joke but will still think you're stark raving bonkers since they know
you.

>> Martin, king of afb-ot.

I am y'know.

>> afb-ot:  our maderator lets us say fuck!

> He does, y'know.

Indeed, we can swear to our heart's content - maybe Sealey should join... ;)

> Alex Furmanski - Joining the drive

Ah yes, the recruitment drive...

Are you bored of the endless bickering on here?  Do you hate reading the
same tired old threads again and again?  Are you tired of being insulted and
not wanting to respond in case you get banned?  Are you fed up with not
being able to tell people they're idiots when they obviously are?

If you can answer yes to any of those questions, afb-ot is the place for
you!  We have an interesting collection of rituals including the welcoming
insult, being kicked by the yeti and the bestowing of titles and duties.  No
topics are off-topic and no one complains if they're on-topic (also, no one
complains if you never change the subject header - we've had one thread
running for months with the same subject but the thread has nothing to do
with it! Cool, huh!?).  We also have our own website!  So come join afb-ot
by sending a blank mail to afb-ot-subscribe@egroups.com

Martin, come to afb-ot and be damned forever.
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Hi Paul,

On 10-Nov-99 you wrote:

>>>>  afb-ot's official webshite - http://www.afb-ot.the-works.org.uk
>>>   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>> Which is rather good, BTW.
> 
>> It is actually and, coincidentally enough, it's just been updated :)

> What, your bit?

Nope, there's a new logo - it's right at the top on the first page.  Obvious
if you bother to look :)

>> Erm, well you might but as I've just changed the password (a neccessary
>> act since someone (who shall remain nameless)

> It was him

Shh or I'll ban you ;)

>> foolishly posted the ftp details to the list :-/) so there won't be
>> any updates for a bit (until the new password has been circulated).

> Can I 'ave it?

Yes.

> Yeah, but we all know Norbert has been looking for someone else for
> ages... ;)

Wouldn't you if you were going out with Neil "If it's working, keep him away
from it" Bollock?

>> Or, if you really do want to know, you could always visit the
>> website or
>  ^^^^^^^
> Spelling!

Sorry, webshite.

> Paul C, going OT just to make the plug a bit bigger.

I'm not sure any of this is ot and anyway, even if it is, it's in a good
cause (cleaning up afb) and it's simultaneously making afb a far more
interesting list.

> Waddy?! We need a bigger plug. Ta.

Or just the same one as the last two times only posted here instead...

Martin, join afb-ot a catch what's looking to be the tail end of something
almost pornographic!
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Hi Eddie,

On 11-Nov-99 you wrote:

>> Which is rather good, BTW. Especially as you get updates to the SMG
>> section the day the pics are available ;)

> Why on earth would I want to look at pictures of small metal grilles ?
> I got over that particular fetish years ago ;)

Sexy 'Merican Girl, ackshully :)

Martin, yeah, I know.
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Anthony Prime said, 

> Unless you never leave the house at weekends, I would seriously look
> at Claranet,

Have a look at the thread on uk.net about Clara hosting spammers.
Basically, someone complained about a web site promoting spam software
and Clara said "we don't care". It was disturbing to see that an ISP
like this takes such an attitude to spam, one that could result in their
mail servers being blacklisted.


Neil
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If at first you don't succeed you'll get lot's of advice.

"alan l.m. buxey" wrote: 
> who was that bloke whinging about the developer D and the 'trash' it
> contained...and about how, for the 15 ukp asked for it, they should
> include egcs or a compiler?
It was i,.. and i wasent *complaining* about the *trash* that was on
it,.
or the *15 ukp* price. Infact in dont remember writing any of those
words,. but anyway.

I was just mentioning that inclding the 1.3 devkits is not surving a
purpose anymore,.. i allready have them on the last 2 dev CDs, and i
cant see why they are needed anymore.

It would be nice to distibute some devkits that, most people get
anyway, for example libnix, egcs, ixemul, dice, stormMESA, MUI, xpk,
xfd,.. the list goes on. All i am saying is that some more SDK`s would
be nice,.. why would i say the devrom was *trash*, that would be insane.

> well, they ARE including a compiler.... StormC !
> (its 'only' the 68k version, but os3.5 is only 68k...and for 15 ukp
who
> should complain???!)
This is arguably the best thing on the disk, i dont recal saying *god
damn i wont buy this unless there is a full compiler, ough and its all
crap anyway*

It would be nice if they could include some non-amiga spesifc stuff
that is hard to get, for example ANSI/ISO specs for C/++, Abstraction
modles etc.

Is that so much of a sin. (did you read my orginal post, BTW ?)

-matthew

_Replying to a message_:

  From:  Andy Mills <Andy@wharne.u-net.com>
   Via:  Amiga Format mailing list <afb@egroups.com>
 Dated:  Thursday, 11-Nov-99, 10:55:39
 About:  [afb] Re: webmap 


Hello Andy,

> It all depends on what (and how) the image map's being used for. Done
> properly, it should cause no problems....

And just how many things get done properly?  ;-)

Bye,
Tim.  (B.A. T.L.M.N.)

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_Replying to a message_:

  From:  Peter Gordon <mrtickle@amiga4k.ndo.co.uk>
   Via:  Amiga Format mailing list <afb@egroups.com>
 Dated:  Thursday, 11-Nov-99, 12:26:58
 About:  [afb] Re: suicidal Amigans 


Hello Peter,

>> Impedance (I think) from GCSE

> Nope. "I" doesnt stand for any word in that sense, it just "is"
> current. (C is capacitance you see). I is impedance, which is
> resistance. There are different types of Impedance in a circuit
> though.

Grrr...

E or V  voltage      (measured in Volts - V)
I       current      (measured in Amps - A)
P       power        (measured in Watts - W)
R       resistance   (measured in Ohms - Greek small omega character)
Z       impedance    (measured in Henries - H)
C       capacitance  (measured in Farads - F)

Simply put, Impedance is the Resistance of a device, when AC
(alternating current) is taken into account.

Likewise Power is Voltage times Current for DC; and for when AC current
is taken into account, you need to add in a power factor correction. 
And before someone says don't use VA for Watts, A is V/R so it already
takes into account other factors.

i.e.  Power is proportional to the voltage across, and the power
      through it.  And for further specific situations, other
      modifiers are included.

      And current is proportional to the voltage across a resistance,
      and other modifiers for specific situation.

All the base electronic formalae are interelated.

Anybody REALLY wanting to know more about this, is advised to get a book
on electronics (NOT a Physics book).  Else they're going to be confused
by a lot of crap on here.

The basis of this thread began about not killing yourself, or your
computer, while you've got the bonnet up.  That doesn't require an
awful lot of electronics theory, just common sense.  Then someone
talked about what killed you (current actually, and not much of it - 30
milli Amps is enough, just for your information).  What it takes to
kill a computer, without going into specific levels, can be avoided by
taking simple precautions (discharge yourself before getting near the
computer, and avoid building up another charge while working with it).

Bye,
Tim.  (B.A. T.L.M.N.)

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>> Nope. "I" doesnt stand for any word in that sense, it just "is"
>> current. (C is capacitance you see). I is impedance, which is
>> resistance. There are different types of Impedance in a circuit
>> though.

> Grrr...

> E or V  voltage      (measured in Volts - V)
> I       current      (measured in Amps - A)
> P       power        (measured in Watts - W)
> R       resistance   (measured in Ohms - Greek small omega character)
> Z       impedance    (measured in Henries - H)
> C       capacitance  (measured in Farads - F)

Yeah, I did know all this (done an electronics course and all), but my br=
ain wasnt working at the
time. He's quite right you know. (digs up his folder of work and reads it=
 all again :)



=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
so long and thanks for all the fish
      http://fly.to/Mr_Tickle
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

Real meanings #16:
LISP: Little Inflatable Sex Puppy

Your attention, please.

Right, it's about time this mailing list had a bit more discipline. I'm
getting really fed up with having my mailbox bombarded by crap. And what's
worse, when you lot have wasted our daily mail limit with nonsense, then I
get bombarded with Moderator posts. Enough, I say, enough!


The rules:

Keep to the topic. I don't mind people being occasionally off topic as long
as it's amusing, but if it's off topic put OT in the subject header.

Keep the subject heading live. In the lifetime of a thread, the topic is
liable to meander like a meandery thing. Make sure the subject heading is
applicable to your reply. If not, change it. 

Quote sensibly. Only include information that is relevant to your reply.
Don't include signatures, etc.

Think first, post later. Before you reply, count to ten and make sure what
you are saying is either interesting, informative or humourous. If it's
not, don't bother. Always check that somebody else hasn't already made
exactly the same reply.


Dead threads:

Pronounce Linux. This has been discussed hundreds of times already, it's
boring me, and it doesn't matter, anyway.

Suicidal Amigans. OK, enough of electrical theory for the insane. This is
not the place for it. BTW, if you must quote formulae, at least get it
right. 

Anybody replying to either of these after ten minutes of this post arriving
will earn themselves a ban for the weekend.


Cheers,
Rich

(While Ben's away, the evil one holds sway . . .)

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_Replying to a message_:

  From:  Richard Drummond <richard.drummond@futurenet.co.uk>
   Via:  Amiga Format mailing list <afb@egroups.com>
 Dated:  Thursday, 11-Nov-99, 22:55:11
 About:  [afb] ADMIN: Readme 


Hello Richard,

> Anybody replying to either of these after ten minutes of this post
> arriving will earn themselves a ban for the weekend.

This is the stupidest thing I've read for ages.  Don't you know how long
it takes mail to propagate through the internet.  You're going to get
people replying for hours at least, before they even see your message,
days even, for some people.  Think about things before shooting your
mouth off!

Bye,
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Hello all.

Wonder if anyone can help me out here, the first problem, which if it
has cropped up before, I apologise...

I have installed OS3.5 on my Amiga (with thanks to Mr Elia) But for the
life of my my "Workbench" Icon no longer lines up in column fashion
with the others, instead it chooses to display on the top right hand
side of the screen, despite  numerous attempts at snapshot-ting in to
place. Any one have a fix please?

Secondly whilst accessing www.egroups.com from my web browser (Voyager
2,95) I keep getting prompted to identify myself, (no probs there)
however once typing in the necessary details I am informed that I
haven't got my cookies turned on, even though I know I have! This of
course leads to me not being able to proceed any further.

Works fine from Netscape 3 at work and it used to work fine before.

Thanks in advance.

Regards

Mikey C

tim seifert wrote: 
> Think about things before shooting your mouth off!
Cool,.. you just managed to break a whole bunch of Richards rules,.. !

Just cos it was your threads that got killed.!

-matthew

Hello Tim

>> Anybody replying to either of these after ten minutes of this post
>> arriving will earn themselves a ban for the weekend.
> 
> This is the stupidest thing I've read for ages.

On this list? I doubt it. ;)

> Don't you know how long
> it takes mail to propagate through the internet.

Yes, I do.. But saying the next person who replies after four and a half
hours somehow lacks force. And anyway, the vast majority of mail gets to
it's destination in minutes

Cheers,
Rich

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Hi Peter,

> > You say potatoe, I say chips...
> 
> "Milenium" doesnt bother me, but this does... ITS POTATO! POTATO! aaarrgh.. (sorry ;)

Yeah, but like I said, I *don't* say `potatoe'...     I say `chips' :)

Cheers,

Eddie

Hi Martin,

> >> Which is rather good, BTW. Especially as you get updates to the SMG
> >> section the day the pics are available ;)
> 
> > Why on earth would I want to look at pictures of small metal grilles ?
> > I got over that particular fetish years ago ;)
> 
> Sexy 'Merican Girl, ackshully :)

Bugger it, I've finally given in (s'only taken three months). I'll be
sending off me blank email as suggested, just before I leave for work
in half an hour - that way, I won't be getting my arse kicked until I
come in later tonight  :)

It was the afb-ot website that swayed it for me. Great stuff.

Cheers,

Eddie (anyone got any last minute comments they'd like to throw at Ben
before he flies out to Germany ? I'll, hopefully, be catching him as
he passes through Heathrow just after 2pm, so if you have any abuse
that you'd like delivered direct, then I'm your man  ;))

michael.carrill-@ukonline.co.uk wrote: 
> my "Workbench" Icon no longer lines up in column fashion
> with the others, instead it chooses to display on the top right hand
> side of the screen, despite  numerous attempts at snapshot-ting in to
> place. Any one have a fix please?
If you try to put icons to close together they wont snapshot properly,
if not know if this is the problem ?
 
> Secondly whilst accessing www.egroups.com from my web browser (Voyager
> 2,95) I keep getting prompted to identify myself, (no probs there)
> however once typing in the necessary details I am informed that I
> haven't got my cookies turned on, even though I know I have!
This is the *143rd* repley to this question, but i am quite tolerent.
There is a small bug in the 2.95, cookie handeling so it wont work,. If
you are using the demo, buy voyager 3, its cool. If not upgrade to v3
pre5.

-matthew

_Replying to a message_:

   Via:  Amiga Format mailing list <afb@egroups.com>
 Dated:  Thursday, 11-Nov-99, 23:07:11
 About:  [afb] Re: ADMIN: Readme 


Two replies on one here...


Hello Richard,

>>> Anybody replying to either of these after ten minutes of this post
>>> arriving will earn themselves a ban for the weekend.
 
>> This is the stupidest thing I've read for ages.
 
> On this list? I doubt it. ;)

Hmm, yeah, on second thoughts, on this list....
 
>> Don't you know how long it takes mail to propagate through the
>> internet.

> Yes, I do.. But saying the next person who replies after four and a
> half hours somehow lacks force. And anyway, the vast majority of mail
> gets to it's destination in minutes

Not here it don't.  Nor does it even arrive in consecutive order either.
Specifying times isn't realistic.


Hello Mathew,

> Cool,.. you just managed to break a whole bunch of Richards rules,.. !
>
> Just cos it was your threads that got killed.!

Ha!  Actually, I don't care about that thread, it's been bugging me for
ages the amount of nonsense spouted.  I figured the definitive correct
answers, put very shortly, were a quicker kill, than the annoying way
people often declare end of thread to a subject.


End of thread.  Nyah!

Actually, I'd like to see an end to telephone costs, etc, threads.  ;-\

Bye,
Tim.  (B.A. T.L.M.N.)

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Hi Ben

Good issue again. But I can't help but start to worry a little bit
more. We're down to 92 pages now and the ads are getting thinner, even
though your content isnt (thank the lord).

I can remember how it was when AMiga Shopper went from 100 pages to 80
odd to 60 in a very short time. I really hope it doesnt happen.

I buy all sorts of mags (even PC Format!) but it is your magazine I
really enjoy the most. In a time where absolutely no-one knows what's
going to happen it is nice to see a dedicated bunch like you soldiering
on.

Keep it up
Stephen Thwaites

Hi Rich,

> Anybody replying to either of these after ten minutes of this post arriving
> will earn themselves a ban for the weekend.
> 
> Cheers,
> Rich
>
> (While Ben's away, the evil one holds sway . . .)

You waited until Ben was out of the building before you wrote that
didn't you ? I'll be seeing him at the airport in the next couple of
hours and I'm telling.

You're evil, you are...

Cheers,

Eddie   ;)
 

On 11-Nov-99 08:13:13 GMT, Pekka Sippola wrote:

>>> My 3.5 CD isn't readable via AmiCDFS 2.40. It just tries.. and
>>> tries.. forever - just like T-zero CD earlier. Lucky me to have

>> Sounds like you need to upgrade to the latest version as that works
>> fine with both the CDs you mentioned.

> ...and I thought 2.40 is the latest one...

It is :)

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On 11-Nov-99 08:19:50 GMT, Pekka Sippola wrote:

>> This ain't going to be much help, but I always used to use AmiCDFS,
>> and I installed OS 3.5 with no problems while still using AmiCDFS. I
>> don't know what the problem is in your case, but AmiCDFS works fine
>> with the OS 3.5 CD here.

> I may have read of somebody who had to change to an older version of
> AmiCDFS to get it to work ?? Maybe it's a quirk of my Imes 8x drive. But
> it has read everything except T-Zero and OS 3.5 during an year.

Quite possibly, although as CacheCDFS works fine, then it would
obviously indicate that AmiCDFS can't handle your drive (or device)
properly for some reason.  Have you tried messing with the OLDMODE
switch, or any of the other options?  They may help, depending on which
device driver you use to access your CD drive - you didn't say if it
was SCSI or IDE, and which device driver you use.

But, CacheCDFS seems pretty groovy, so why would you want to keep on
using the 2 year old AmiCDFS? :)

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On Thu, 11 Nov 1999, Peter Gordon wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> HURRAH! Got my AF131 this morning, so, heres the rundown:

got mine too - havent had time to read any of it yet, but i did quickly
flick through to see the contents...it seems that the ClickBOOM EuroBurn
doesnt have any column space apart from a brief mention, but more is on
the CD....

alan

On 11 Nov 1999, Andy Mills wrote:

> The only thing is that you may not get the same amount of security due
> to the lack of full multi-user support in the Amiga filesystem. There is
> MuFS, but how good it is, I don't know.

err, you get more security because , unless you're running special
daemons, noone can actually log into your Amiga
 
> Even then, you can still install Linux (Lin as in Linen or Leen-ux,
> /not/ Line-ux... ;) on your Amiga and run Apache that way.

..as well as Netscape, Civ:Call to Power, Myth2....... :-)

alan

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>but I do know that the Subnet mask last number has to be >different on
>all the machines eg your Mac is using 255.255.255.0 so your >Amiga
>would have to be 255.255.255.1 (if you can set this) otherwise try
>setting the Mac to 255.255.255.1 or something.

Hi

Ummmm I hate to disagree... but I've got a running network here and for the=
 last couple of years - everythings been working smoothly - up until the in=
stallation of os3.5 that is :o). =

 =

The subnet mask is 255.255.255.0 for both machines. using the rule of thumb=
 "if it ain't broke - don't fix it" I'd not want to change any settings fro=
m the ones that work well.

All the Best,

Stephen.

Sent by my lousy, unstable and God forsaken PC :o) =


Running an  a1200T os3.5 603e+ 040/25 and 160MHz PPC... 72Mb Memory and Bli=
zzvision GFX Card with lots of stuff attached and Siamese Ethernet v2.5 to =
a TCP networked Net sharing slave AMD K6-3 450MHz PC.. taking Amiga Computi=
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On Thu, 11 Nov 1999, Ben Vost wrote:

> Um. It's not on the next issue, but will probably be resumed at some point.
> What did you think of having the corner flash on the right instead of the
> left?

better. 
 
> > Whos baby-like hands are those? (suspects colin...)
> 
> You're right. He does all the AF washing up in Fairy, so he has hands that
> stay soft.

;-) I've been looking at gadgets over the past weeks...i want a
Psion5mx...now! :-)
 
> > love them loads. If only they'd patch Intuitions window render routines
> > with their translucency routines... :D
> 
> Nice though, eh?

i've got to try it...tonight..if i have any time after installing the
latest LinuxPPC-1999 
 
> > Hooray for the sleazy chatline adds in their glorius tacky-vision.
> 
> You gotta love 'em...

..well, if they enable the mag to be kept running, then sure! ;-)
 
alan

From   : Pekka Sippola <pekka.sippola@pp.inet.fi>
Date   : 11-Nov-99
Subject: [afb] Re: 3.5 CD and AmiCDFS

Hello Pekka,

>>> My 3.5 CD isn't readable via AmiCDFS 2.40. It just tries.. and
>>> tries.. forever - just like T-zero CD earlier. Lucky me to have


>> Sounds like you need to upgrade to the latest version as that works
>> fine with both the CDs you mentioned.

> ...and I thought 2.40 is the latest one...

Sorry, my mistake. I read AsimCDFS instead of AmiCDFS so I still can't help.

Regards
Dom...
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hi,

> Duh! Who do you think badgered Stephan for FBlit support in the first
> place? :)

:-)
 
> Given that all the OS3.5 specific tools are being written by beta testers
> anyway, it's no big deal. But the support for OS3.5 from third parties (with
> regards to bugfixing stuff - like VisualPrefs) is bigger and quicker executed
> that I expected..

..its the 3rd party support that i meant :-)

alan

On Thu, 11 Nov 1999, Tudor Davies wrote:

> That would be 254 devices then - as 0/255 are broadcast addresses and
> unusable :)

that would be 253 devices then

alan

PS i prefer 255.255.254.0 for this sort of shenanigans

On Thu, 11 Nov 1999 23:03:18 +1030, Tim Seifert wibbled=2E=2E=2E

> You're going to get
> people replying for hours at least, before they even see your message,
> days even, for some people=2E=20

If people are taking that long to reply to threads, then the very least
they should do is check that it has not already been covered by someone
else=2E Simple netiquette (gnngh)=2E

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ibble=2Eco=2Euk
=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF not quit=
e as (NEW) NEW LOOK!! =AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=
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On 11 Nov 1999 11:2:58 +0000, Neil Bothwick wibbled=2E=2E=2E

> It was disturbing to see that an ISP
> like this takes such an attitude to spam, one that could result in their
> mail servers being blacklisted=2E

I was impressed with one ISP this week, although not a British one=2E
After receiving the same spam mail every day (from some doctor or
summat), I reported him to prserv=2Enet (one of IBM's ISPs), who got back
to me the next day to tell me the account had been cancelled=2E I was
jolly happy :)

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ibble=2Eco=2Euk
=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF not quit=
e as (NEW) NEW LOOK!! =AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=AF=
=AF=AF=AF=AF
  This week featuring=2E=2E=2E Jacqui Krapotkin's Soapwatch=2E=2E=2E Alan P=
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>From: Tudor Davies <tudor@high5.net>
>To: afb@egroups.com
>Subject: [afb] Re: Ethernet Networking Amiga to Mac
>Date: juev., 11 novi 1999 07:16
>


>
> That would be 254 devices then - as 0/255 are broadcast addresses and
> unusable :)
>
> Always best to stick to a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0 - otherwise, your IP
> addresses *may not* be in the same subnet - even though they have sequential
> numbers :)


I think the problem is with the PCMCIA interface the Ethernet card doesn't
seem to be recognized ... And I did all kind of tests, plug it before
turning the machine on, plug it and unplug it after the machine reboot, etc.




> l8r
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On Thu, 11 Nov 1999 amimjf@hotmail.com wrote:

> I was just mentioning that inclding the 1.3 devkits is not surving a
> purpose anymore,.. i allready have them on the last 2 dev CDs, and i
> cant see why they are needed anymore.

the 1.3 devkits are useful...especially if you are writing a basic util
or program that could run on 1.3/2.x and 3.x machines.
 
> It would be nice to distibute some devkits that, most people get
> anyway, for example libnix, egcs, ixemul, dice, stormMESA, MUI, xpk,
> xfd,.. the list goes on. All i am saying is that some more SDK`s would

agreed about the SDK's 

> It would be nice if they could include some non-amiga spesifc stuff
> that is hard to get, for example ANSI/ISO specs for C/++, Abstraction
> modles etc.

that would be interesting to have on the CD....but if you are coding you
usually have a shelf of reference material anyway :-)
 
alan

On Thu, Nov 11, 1999 at 02:06:45PM +0000, Alan L.M. Buxey wrote:

>> That would be 254 devices then - as 0/255 are broadcast addresses and
>> unusable :)
> that would be 253 devices then

No - 254 - 0-255 is 256 minus 2 = 254

example 192.168.1.1 to 192.168.1.254 (ie don't take 1 away from 254)

> PS i prefer 255.255.254.0 for this sort of shenanigans

Why would having 128 subnets each of 510 hosts be useful, in a class B
network?
There is a great deal of IP address space wastage there :)

l8r
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On Thu, 11 Nov 1999, Richard Drummond wrote:

> Yes, I do.. But saying the next person who replies after four and a half
> hours somehow lacks force. And anyway, the vast majority of mail gets to
> it's destination in minutes

we should have a ruling for the AFB...that if you see a post in your
mailbox that says  'ADMIN: Readme' then that should be read first
thing...and any non admin who writes a message with such title should be
banned for a week

alan

On 11-Nov-99, Tudor Davies wrote:

>> 
>> HURRAH! Got my AF131 this morning, so, heres the rundown:
>> 

>Noooooo. I'm still in California :(

>I WANT MY AMIGA FORMAT

And I'd like to be in Califonia - any chance of a trade? :-)

hi,

> No - 254 - 0-255 is 256 minus 2 = 254
> 
> example 192.168.1.1 to 192.168.1.254 (ie don't take 1 away from 254)

no, you dont use .1 addresses either - that should be a gateway
 
> Why would having 128 subnets each of 510 hosts be useful, in a class B
> network?
> There is a great deal of IP address space wastage there :)

:-)  this is a one-one network...maybe a few machine at the most, on a
private network, the subnet doesnt really matter at all, so long as its
the same on all the machines you're playing with

alan

On Thu, Nov 11, 1999 at 02:34:04PM +0000, Alan L.M. Buxey wrote:

>> No - 254 - 0-255 is 256 minus 2 = 254
>> example 192.168.1.1 to 192.168.1.254 (ie don't take 1 away from 254)
> no, you dont use .1 addresses either - that should be a gateway

Uh, hu - if all your machines are in the same subnet and only talk to each
other - what need have you for a gateway? A "gateway of last resort" is only
required in order to pass traffic out of your subnet :)

l8r

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On Thu, Nov 11, 1999 at 02:33:06PM +0000, Peter Wesson wrote:

>>> HURRAH! Got my AF131 this morning, so, heres the rundown:
>>Noooooo. I'm still in California :(
>>I WANT MY AMIGA FORMAT
> And I'd like to be in Califonia - any chance of a trade? :-)

And I've been up all night getting a blasted Oracle server and Oracle Web
Server up and running. It's 6.53am here at present - I have been in since
1am, got it all working about 1hr ago, and know they tell me that they want
me to stay the rest of the day and catch a later flight home, 'cos they want
me to train somebody :(

So yes - want to trade :)

<call across the world to my doormat>
I'm coming little AF, I'll be home soon...
</call across the world to my doormat>


l8r
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"alan l.m. buxey" wrote: 

> we should have a ruling for the AFB...that if you see a post in your
> mailbox that says  'ADMIN: Readme' then that should be read first
> thing...and any non admin who writes a message with such title should
be
> banned for a week
Inspired idea.., i also think a FAQ should be *magicly* produced, in 
newsgroup style,.. just to cut down on the "egroups dont work with
v2.95", type questions. 

On Thu, 11 Nov 1999, Peter Gordon wrote:
> Does Sid4Amiga sound better than Per Haken Sundell and Ron Birk's good
> old PlaySID emulation as used in every generic amiga module player? and
> is it worth trying on this 030 25mhz (STILL wating for a CS MkIII that I
> ordered at the WoA).

  I shouldn't think that you'd get blinding results with an 030 25Mhz, but
with all the features turned off then you might hear something.  Paul (S4A
Coder) is concetrating mainly on the WarpOS version these days and the
emthasis is on featured and quality emulation.

  What does it say about it in the mag?  I can't RTFM as I'm away from
anywhere that sells it for a while.


bye,
  Chris - Ex Co-Coder for Sid4Amiga.  I did the original GUI and the
          website.

Does anyone have an idea where i can download old speccy or amiga games
from the internet.  I'm especially talkin about Arkanoid, Back 2
school, out run, the alechemist, zoom, ant attack, etc.
It would be gratefully appreciated
honest

On Thu, 11 Nov 1999 nobody@kittycat.co.uk wrote:

> Gateway to what? Sure, we have them here. But when you only have one
> subnet, and no access to the outside, why do you need a gateway?

oh, in general..seeing as it was said that .0 and .255 shouldnt be
used. 

alan

On Thu, 11 Nov 1999 fd700990@ntu.ac.uk wrote:

> Does anyone have an idea where i can download old speccy or amiga games
> from the internet.  I'm especially talkin about Arkanoid, Back 2
> school, out run, the alechemist, zoom, ant attack, etc.
> It would be gratefully appreciated
> honest

...oh dear

alan

On Thu, 11 Nov 1999 fd700990@ntu.ac.uk wrote:
> Does anyone have an idea where i can download old speccy or amiga games
> from the internet.  I'm especially talkin about Arkanoid, Back 2
> school, out run, the alechemist, zoom, ant attack, etc.
> It would be gratefully appreciated
> honest

  http://www.classicgaming.com/ and http://www.davesclassics.com/ used to
be good places to start from.


bye,
  Chris

On Thu, Nov 11, 1999 at 02:34:04PM +0000, Alan L.M. Buxey wrote:

> > example 192.168.1.1 to 192.168.1.254 (ie don't take 1 away from 254)
> 
> no, you dont use .1 addresses either - that should be a gateway

Gateways don't have to be on .1 - all the main gateways here are on .62.
In any case, there's no reason why a gateway can't be a machine that
provides other services as well.

-- 
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On Thu, 11 Nov 1999, Chris Andrews wrote:
>   http://www.classicgaming.com/ and http://www.davesclassics.com/ used to
> be good places to start from.

  Actually, scrub http://www.davesclassics.com/ from that.  It's turned
into something completely different now (A UGO Affiliate).

bye,
  Chris

amipal@yahoo.com wrote:
> PPaint sometimes closes th WB screen when it feels that there isn't
> enough memory available. You can stop it using the last menu (can't
> think of the title).
> 
Settings, I think. There are also memory management settings in there,
so you can reduce the number of undos and the amount of memory allocated
for them, which is useful for keeping memory usage down.

-curry

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On Thu, Nov 11, 1999 at 03:38:13PM +0000, Alan L.M. Buxey wrote:

>> Gateway to what? Sure, we have them here. But when you only have one
>> subnet, and no access to the outside, why do you need a gateway?
> oh, in general..seeing as it was said that .0 and .255 shouldnt be
> used. 

That's *cannot* be used. if you are in a routed network with multiple
subnets, you cannot assign .0 or .255 to a host.

In fact, even in a standalone network, a subnet of 255.255.255.0 does not
give you those addresses.

l8r

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Hello Matt,

On 11-Nov-99, you wrote:
 
>> OK, I've searched long enough for an option to select the number of
>> colours in Iconed. It seems there isn't one! At least it is not
>> mentioned in the manual and there is no obvious way to do it...
>> 
>> Maybe Matt could add it on his wishlist?
> 
> Do I have to?

Nope. But it would be quite useful, don't you think? At least I don't
want memory protection... :)

Regards
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The latest issue has just arrived here and is another good read. Like most of the 
latest issues it is a bit lacking is good news though. (Not your fault Ben). 



I did however find it disappointing that we are to be "bullied" into buying OS3.5. 

In the Amiga OS3.5 selling well boxout we are told that "Amiga Format urges you" 
buy the new OS, "with the promise of more and more OS3.5 - only software destined 
for our CD in the coming months". 



Why. What features of the new OS are so revolutionary that they are required to run 
this new software? The only thing I cam think of is the Arexx port and we've had that 
with Dopus for ages. Like everyone else I only have a limited amount of money to go 
around. Over the years I have bought hardware and software for my Amiga that have 
added something to it's usability. Things like a graphics card, serial card, CD drive 
etc. I've registered my shareware, MUI, Canonstudio, Webplug for instance. I've 
upgraded some of the programs I've bought over the years like Final Writer, 
Netconnect (I've had all three) and Stfax. To upgrade to the new OS I would need to 
buy the 3.1 roms plus the upgrade. For what? Looking at the review, not very much 
at all.  The "New stuff" boxouts don't exactly stun you with their advances. "A 
progress bar for copying with an abort button" got it with Dopus. Amigamail, I 
registered Thor why would I want Amiga mail.



If there is a valid reason for making a program OS3.5 only then fair enough, but if it 
is just to try and force people to upgrade then all that will happen is that more people 
will abandon. Maybe not their Amiga because regardless of what is put on the CD 
my Amiga still does what I require of it, but they will leave the magazine if they find 
less and less relevant to the machine they are using.



I am all for progress, but there has to be a point to it. If OS3.5 had been revolutionary 
and added a lot of new or improved features then I would definitely support it. I won't 
buy something just "to keep the Amiga alive". I don't think it will make a blind bit of 
difference in the long term anyway.



My next spare 60 is going towards Photogenics.



All the best

Phil



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Hi Eddie,

On 11-Nov-99 you wrote:

> Bugger it, I've finally given in (s'only taken three months). I'll be
> sending off me blank email as suggested, just before I leave for work
> in half an hour - that way, I won't be getting my arse kicked until I
> come in later tonight  :)

Yay!  We got one!  Warm up the yeti, someone...

> It was the afb-ot website that swayed it for me. Great stuff.

Look out for book two of The Legend of Afbot, coming soon to a website near
you ( http://www.afb-ot.the-works.org.uk ).

Martin, come to afb-ot and be damned forever.
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> > Does anyone know DCE's URL and/or email address? I
> think I'll give them
> > a little visit with  my new mind-control device...
> 

Found it...

http://www.dcecom.de/

And it's dedicated to the Amiga.  Surprise!

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Greetings 
 
A few days ago, I aquired a blizzard 1260 and scsi kit. SInce then, I
have been in crash and burn central.  (the thousand odd mails in my
inbox are testement to that!:))

Yesterday I discovered that if I leave it switched on for half an hour
or more before I use it it seems fairly stable, with only programs I
would expect to crash the 060 doing so. . .

Wen I first power up, it goes into a reset loop (power towert LED
flashing away) then it gradually gets further into the
startup-sequence. . .

Addbuffers fail -suspend/reboot. . .

. . . . super72 failed -suspend/reboot. . .

and so on :)

Half an hour later, It's loading into dopus WBR and everything seems
solid.

With the scsi kit attached it seems even more flakey, though it does
seem to register the extra 32mb ram stuck to it; when I actually get
it to boot with it. I was thinking that could be the weight of the
scsi kit pulling the blizzard in a few degrees??

Configuration:

1200 v1d3 
kick 39.106 wb 39.29
32mb on blizzard, and another 32 on the scsi (when connect)
powerc buffered ide i/f
hypercom 1 (i think) on clockport.

I'm using it now and it seems perfect (imagine's rendering in the
backgound as i type this) but if i power off for 10 mins, and switch
back on it will start acting up again :/

sorry to waffle on. . .Anyone with similar experience/advice? 

Regards

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in a fit of rage Peter Gordon said something about [afb] Re: Computer Interaction

> >>> which reminds me...why did noone create an LP system for the speccy?
> >>> Loading from vinyl might have been quite a faster option.. after all,
> >>> just turn that dial around a bit and you have a 2X drive too! ;-)
 
> >> Genius!  No more buckled tapes either!  I'm off to my workshop...

> >  You'd still have to leave the room whilst waiting for the thing to load
> > though ;)
 
> Umm vinyl would have been more expensive to produce. Plus, the noise on tape is a more-or-less uniform his which can be easily filtered. The noise on Vinyl is also his, but with pops and crackle, which would totally screw the data. You'd probably need one of those several-thousand-pound laser vinyl players instead of a 10 cassette player from dixons ;)

Which Micro and Software Review sold one issue with a flexidisc "cover
disk" of programs to load in to various computers of the time. It
worked just fine with the Spectrum stuff, but I can't vouch for the
other formats...
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>>Powered by Amiga in Crewe
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Hello,All

Arn't delivery days BRILLIANT.And getting your AF a week before the
shops,Subscriptions are BRILLIANT.The holes that are in doors arn't letter
boxes BRillliaaannnnttt :-) Enuff already.

Oh BTW I got me AF this morning Arn't morni (snip) 


All the best, GerryX

> Whatever happen to the Picasso 5

You mean the thing in the *"joke" CU2000 insert into one of their last
issues? It was a *joke*.

All the best,
Regards


<tsb>

Pants!, Pants1, Pants!. Not really just interested.

There's too much talk about about this, I'll just have to go and buy it..

<sb>

I got home the other night and the phone was ringing, I picked it up, and
said "Who's speaking please?' And a voice said "You are"

T.C

Hi

Oh well.... I've just deleted 8000 (yes, 8000) unread messages in my AFB
conference... still having Thor on a FFS partition makes conferences that
big unbelievably slow (i.e. it takes longer to add messages to the database
than it does to download them), so if anybody has had anything to say to be
on AFB for the past... erm... 2 months.. well, now you know what I never
said anything :)

Unfortunately, as you'll see if you finger tom.hurst@clara.net, I haven't
downloaded mail for a few days, and I now have around 2000 on the server
waiting for me... this is because Thor is totally refusing to create a uidl
file, and as I leave a few days mail on the server... this is very, very
bad.. if anyone has had this problem and fixed it please get in touch with
me via ICQ at 17701673, or IR (ARCNet and IRCNet #amiga).

Oh, and does anybody know of a good command line driven pop3 client (i.e.
not the evil, complete shite comm/tcp/GetMail3.lha), or alternatively an
smtpd that I can use with fetchmail that doesn't demand to log every fsking
command?

Regards

Tom
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 takes a long time. Nobody listens to what he says and no one pays any
 attention to him. When he sits down, everyone disagrees with what he said.
 At the height of the confusion, a vote is taken and an ordinance is passed.

> Uh, no.  You'll know how I felt when you've had it happen every three days
> for two months.  You'll know how I felt when you're on first name terms with
> egroups "support" staff.  You'll know how I felt when you've started arguing
> with the support staff over the fact that you're only bouncing on one list
> and everything's fine on all the others.  You'll know how I felt when you
get
> to the point that you stop receiving mails from an egroups list (afb-movie
> in case anyone was wondering why I'm so quiet over there) and you can't be
> bothered to do anything about it...

Well, it's started on afb-ot now, so I'm getting there. Slowly

> Martin, and that's fool with a small "f".

Sorry :)

Neil - doing teaching support tomorrow with Year 9. Oh no :)

> > No - 254 - 0-255 is 256 minus 2 = 254
> > example 192.168.1.1 to 192.168.1.254 (ie don't take 1 away from 254)
> > Why would having 128 subnets each of 510 hosts be useful, in a class B

Oh no. Don't start talking about IP Addresses ;) I'm sick of them and I'm only
half way through work experience. On a different subject, I had to go round
various machines in various rooms today, becuase some of the staff (about 20
of them) thought it would be a good idea to have a NetMeeting conference over
the network. And another note, it seemed we had the heaviest use of the
network ever today. 162 logged in, which must be somewhere near all the
workstations there are! And it seems we need to upgrade the server. Enough of
my troubles then ;)

Neil

> Good issue again. But I can't help but start to worry a little bit
> more. We're down to 92 pages now and the ads are getting thinner, even
> though your content isnt (thank the lord).

I really can't be bothered starting a new thread for AF131, so I'll use this
one :) Ok, here's my own comments, questions, and general crap.

First, why oh why have you brought back the 'Name at the end of the article'
system? If somebody's already said it (not wanting to break the Evil one's
rules :) then just count this as me backing the campaign :) I don't want to
skip ahead loads of pages to find out who's writing an article, be distracted
into reading some of it while I'm there at the end, and then not bother
reading the introductory parts because I know how it end's anyway. And yes,
that did happen with the Unstability feature. I now count it as read because I
skipped ahead to see who'd wrote it when he referenced himself in the first
column, and ended up reading about 1.5 pages of it from the back of the
article, forwards.

Next, nice cover :) But for some reason, it reminded me of PC Plus this time
round rather than PC Format, but that can only be a good thing.

Back to the unstability feature, 'tis a shame it wasn't written earlier. It'd
have saved me 15 quid at First Computer Centre.

I see you now have colour coded bullets for the Vox pop. Nice :) Although one
of them is nearly the same as the boxout colour

Interesting OS3.5 article, although I've missed a lot of it because I wanted
to see who wrote it, so I skipped to the end. Ho Hum.

That Wasted Dreams walkthrough came at just the right time, I've just got
myself stuck, and it helped a lot. Lovely :)

The PDA feature was interesting, but at the moment, not a lot of use. No
money, but I'll be sure to look back on it since it would be nice to get
something portable which can be used with my Amiga.

Hurray for '100 Issues Ago'. My first ever issue is featured :) Be a full ten
months until my second ever issue is featured though :/

Hmm... that'll do for now

Neil

> Oh well.... I've just deleted 8000 (yes, 8000) unread messages in my AFB
> conference... still having Thor on a FFS partition makes conferences that
> big unbelievably slow (i.e. it takes longer to add messages to the database

Remember the problems with Outlook Express I was having? They were all the
fault of my afb folder you know :) Just thought I'd let you in on that

Neil

Greetings  Matthew 

On 09-Nov-99, you wrote:

> Hi

> Who is that young lass who took so much trouble to get onto the
> imagine mailing list?

I believe is was the daughter of Primo Bu. . . . . How do you spell
that? :)

> Mash
Regards

Andy
-- 
<andy.k2@ukonline.co.uk><http://esox.cjb.net>
*FUBAR*@http://www.rosande.nu
/PGP Key available on request/

I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World
War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.
-- Albert Einstein

Greetings  maartend@dds.nl 

On 08-Nov-99, you wrote:

> Hello, where can I find DEM-files of the Netherlands and the UK?

You can't :(

You will only find dems of the US and Mars/moon.

Well, I say you can't, you can but you gotta pay for it. Try a web
search for ordinance survey (www.ordinance-survey.co.uk or summat :))
and you'll see digital map data is available; not in dem format. . .
probably dxf or something, as long as you have the wonga.

This data is public domain in the USA, that's why there's plenty of it
available for nuffink.

> thanx
> maarten



Regards

Andy
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*FUBAR*@http://www.rosande.nu
/PGP Key available on request/

Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen.
-- Albert Einstein

Greetings  M. 

On 09-Nov-99, you wrote:

>>>> Not all of it. If you check the OS 3.1 ROM build list in the 
>>>> NDK 3.1, you'll notice that 70K of the Workbench code is 
>>>> located in the ROM.
>> 
>>> And if you bothered to check the OS3.5 installation, you'll
>>> find that the 70k of Workbench code gets blatted at startup,
>>> and loaded from disk!

>> Which makes me wonder if 3.1 ROMs were really necessary. Surely the
>> WHOLE new operating system could have been softkicked from a file?

> Not all Amigas have the ability to softkick a ROM (you need an MMU
> for that)

If an MMU is needed, how come I managed to softkick my ec030?

Still on MMU's, I also have a full 030, but the MMU is shown as Not in
use, is it somehow knackered or what? :/

Regards

Andy
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*FUBAR*@http://www.rosande.nu
/PGP Key available on request/

"Restore the peace by any means
    Shoot first then question the enemies"
-- Buju

Hello Oliver


> Quite possibly, although as CacheCDFS works fine, then it would
> obviously indicate that AmiCDFS can't handle your drive (or device)
> properly for some reason. Have you tried messing with the OLDMODE
> switch, or any of the other options? They may help, depending on which
> device driver you use to access your CD drive - you didn't say if it
> was SCSI or IDE, and which device driver you use.

You read my thoughts? A4000 IDE + latest Idefix, regged. Yes, I
tried most of the control options - no help.

> But, CacheCDFS seems pretty groovy, so why would you want to keep on
> using the 2 year old AmiCDFS? :)

Just curious. And CacheCDFS has not been any better/faster so far. But
now it is better!
 
Regards
-- 
Zipper

proud owner of A500 powerhouse ala '91
now cooking with A4000/233PPC

According to fool, there's something good going on and it's
something to do with [afb] Re: To Be or Not To Be....

> > Bugger it, I've finally given in (s'only taken three months). I'll be
> > sending off me blank email as suggested, just before I leave for work
> > in half an hour - that way, I won't be getting my arse kicked until I
> > come in later tonight  :)

> Yay!  We got one!  Warm up the yeti, someone...

Don't worry, I made sure he was chained by the fireplace the other
night, just in case our plug actually worked.

> Martin, come to afb-ot and be damned forever.

But you /might/ earn your very own title. Which is easily compensation
enough.

> <tsb>MartinJTaylor but not the afb-ot

Paul C, doing special deals on anti-yeti gadgets
-- 
... Dinner Special - Turkey $2.35; Chicken or Beef $2.25; Children $2.00

I just read a /very/ interesting mail where you said about [afb] Re: To Be or Not To Be...:

> > Although there's the fact there might be a woman on here being debated at
> > the moment .
 
> Ah yes, the bearded-circus-freak-woman that Paul fancies...

OI! Actually, that reminds me. If anyone wants to know about the most
gorgeous woman ever, who (used to) work where I do, get yerself over
to afb-ot within the next 24 hours...

> Do you hate reading the same tired old threads again and again?
Yep
> Are you tired of being insulted and not wanting to respond in case
> you get banned?
Er, no. But for the sake of argument - yes.
> Are you fed up with not being able to tell people they're idiots
> when they obviously are?
Again, no - but yes.
> If you can answer yes to any of those questions, afb-ot is the place
> for you!
Phew!

> No topics are off-topic

Yes they are. Anything Amiga related, except whinging about egroups.
That's encouraged.

> no one complains if you never change the subject header - we've had one
> thread running for months with the same subject but the thread has
> nothing to do with it!

It did get sort of back to the original subject after recently though.
I bet you all really wanted to know that.

> We also have our own website! 
                       ^^^^^^^^     Damn you!

> Martin, come to afb-ot and have your name changed.

Paul C, also introducing the list pedants, the tomtoms, and a list
zoophile
-- 
... Dogs crawl under gates, software under Windows

I just read a /very/ interesting mail where you said about [afb] Re: ''ADMIN: Readme'' thought!:

> we should have a ruling for the AFB...that if you see a post in your
> mailbox that says  'ADMIN: Readme' then that should be read first
> thing...

People don't look at the subject headers though. When you get hundreds
of mails, a lot of people just start reading them all (I do anyway).

> and any non admin who writes a message with such title should be 
> banned for a week

Which is why I changed the subject a bit... ;)

> alan

Paul C, who spends more time on afb-ot anyway cos it's much more
interesting
-- 
... IBM: Inferior But Marketable.

Dear All,

I have just received the OS3.5 CD from Power (Thanx god!! It took around 2
weeks time to come over to HONG KONG)

Before I install the OS3.5 anything I should know or any hint for installing
OS3.5? Please advise!!

I am very disappointed about Amiga and Phase5 cos I read the Manual of
OS3.5, they only mentioned like A1200/A3000/A4000 and they seems forget
these users with A500/A2000 (I am using an A2K at the moment :< )

Also I got my Blizzard2060 since it was introduce and then Phase5 stop give
any PPC Upgrade Plan for 2060 also no software update (Both 060 and SCSI
Software from Phase5) Is it the time I should get a BARE A4K?? Anyone knows
what is the market price for an BARE A4K?? 

Bye For now and just some thought for those A500/A2000 users out there!

Regards,

Alex  
-- 
Alex Leung
Mail: raiden@netvigator.com
iCQ : 34651363
-------------------------------------------------------------------
A2000-Rev4.2-OSV3.1-KickstartV40.63-WorkbenchV40.42
Blizzard2060-50Mhz-128Mb-6Gig-SCSI2-SONYCPDG200-17'-FD Trinitron
PicassoIV-Picasso96V1.43B-I/O Extender-2xSerial-1xParallel
3Com V.Everything Modems-Fujitsu640M TurboMO Drive
Plextor32XCDROM Drive-Ariadne2 Network
 

Hi Carl

> > > I'm working out how to do a diabolic smiley . . .
> >
> > }:%D>
> >
>
> So thats what the Blair witch looks like...

I'm about to let you all in on a secret, and you must all promise not to
tell anyone.









Right then - The Blair Witch Project is not actually the full title of the
film.  The original working title was decided at the later stages to be not
quite so scary and the producers felt it would give away the ending of the
movie, so it was changed.  What was it originally you ask?  The Lionel Blair
Witch Project.

Tatty byes
--
Alex Furmanski - a.furmanski@virgin.net
WWW: http://www.furmanskinet.connectfree.co.uk
ICQ - 51206302

This week's lie: There was only one member of Take That, called Kevin, but
he was able to fool the eye into seeing more than one person by moving
extremely fast.  The real reason for "Robbie" leaving was Kevin beginning to
feel the onset of age, and no longer being able move as quickly as before.

Hi Jack,

> No.. the IP address needs to be different.. but the Subnet Mask is supposed
> to be the SAME on all.. 

DOH! Ummm... yeah, er I was wondering who would spot that mistake
first ;-)  erm....like...erm....<cough>... ok I got slightly confused
and er...yeah its the IP address...like what he said. <looks around
nervously>..god I'm crap at this...look over there <points and legs
it>.

Carl
somewhere else and travelling rapidly..

Hello Neil

>>> Except U-NET (not Wirenet) decided to drop 0800 a week before this
>>> announcement was made by BT.

So why was the 0800 dropped? Simple economics I suppose..?

Cheers.
-- 
 James Luscombe                   Amiga 3000T, 604e/200 060/50, Picasso IV
 james@jackle.demon.co.uk         Amiga 1200, 040/40

 Try the RELIGION echo...They profess to have all the answers anyways!!

Hi Paul,

On 11-Nov-99 you wrote:

>> No topics are off-topic

> Yes they are. Anything Amiga related, except whinging about egroups.
> That's encouraged.

Okay, Amiga related stuff isn't encouraged but it is tolerated - no one
complained when you and Waddie were arguing over whose mailer was best, did
they?

>> We also have our own website! 
>                       ^^^^^^^^     Damn you!

Oh alright!  Webshite, webshite, webshite, webshite, websh.....

>> Martin, come to afb-ot and have your name changed.

> Paul C, also introducing the list pedants, the tomtoms, and a list
> zoophile

Don't forget the list (drag) queen, Mr Bastard and many more...

Martin, deliberately making it unclear as to which list we're talking about
:)
-- 
<tsb>MartinJTaylor mailto:baseheadz@bigfoot.com
<tsb>http://www.3amigas.freeserve.co.uk
-- 

> On Thu, Nov 11, 1999 at 02:06:28AM -0800, Godzilla wrote:
>
> > No.. the IP address needs to be different.. but the Subnet Mask is
supposed
> > to be the SAME on all.. and if your subnet mask is 255.255.255.0 then
you
> > have a Class "C" (Full) IP License. Which means you can have 256 devices
in
> > one subnet with unique IP addresses... anyway.. not to get too deep into
> > it.. you DO need the same subnet mask as your License allows. (And it
will
> > be the same across the whole subnet.)
>
> That would be 254 devices then - as 0/255 are broadcast addresses and
> unusable :)
>
> Always best to stick to a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0 - otherwise, your
IP
> addresses *may not* be in the same subnet - even though they have
sequential
> numbers :)
>
> l8r
> --
>
> Tudor Davies                         Running Amiga, Mac, PC & Unices
>                                      Technology in Perfect Harmony

Actually, I believe you CAN have 255 as your address... and advising someone
to "STICK" to a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0 is telling them to possibly
STEAL IP addresses.. which I wouldn't advise.. if they only have a Class B
license then they are only allowed to use a subnet mask of 255.255.255.128.
(Unless this is an internal network behind a firewall.)

Regards
Jack...
Running Computers... just lots of Computers...

_Replying to a message_:

  From:  amimjf@hotmail.com <amimjf@hotmail.com>
   Via:  Amiga Format mailing list <afb@egroups.com>
 Dated:  Friday, 12-Nov-99, 01:37:26
 About:  [afb] Re: ''ADMIN: Readme'' thought! 


Hello amimjf@hotmail.com,

>> we should have a ruling for the AFB...that if you see a post in your
>> mailbox that says  'ADMIN: Readme' then that should be read first
>> thing...and any non admin who writes a message with such title should
>> be banned for a week

While eminently sensible, I hope that doesn't extend to replying to the
Admin message.  And without being a smartarse about it, sometimes you
need to (some real problem, rather than niggling), and if you change
the subject line it's not so obvious.  Though "RE: admin" is clear to
me that it's a reply, and not a fake admin message.

> Inspired idea.., i also think a FAQ should be *magicly* produced, in 
> newsgroup style,.. just to cut down on the "egroups dont work with
> v2.95", type questions. 

A monthly notice wouldn't be so bad (it could be done with the AFB
announce message).  URIs to FAQs (which don't currently exist) are the
obvious thing to include.

Bye,
Tim.  (B.A. T.L.M.N.)

-- 

"Grr," said Tim, who left a bad mistake in a killed topic.  ;-)

-- 

http://www.picknowl.com.au/homepages/tim_seifert
mailto:tim_seifert@picknowl.com.au

(Modbury, near Adelaide, South Australia)
   
Video productions, electronics engineering, service and technical
support, and more.  For further information visit the web site.

***  DO  NOT  SEND  JUNK  MAIL  *** 

> Still on MMU's, I also have a full 030, but the MMU is shown as Not in
> use, is it somehow knackered or what? :/

The same happened when I used my good old Blizzard 1230/IV. It has a
full 030, yet things like ARTM and CPU say Not in Use. ????????

Paul
=====
Fortune favours the bold.
Visit the Amipal website: http://www.geocities.com/amipal/

amipal@yahoo.com wrote:
> 
> > Still on MMU's, I also have a full 030, but the MMU is shown as Not in
> > use, is it somehow knackered or what? :/
> 
> The same happened when I used my good old Blizzard 1230/IV. It has a
> full 030, yet things like ARTM and CPU say Not in Use. ????????

Thats because nothing is using it!
If you load Enforcer, you'll find that it is in use, because Enforcer
requires an MMU. Also if you load a virtual memory type program which
uses the mmu, I think it would show up as 'in use' then.

Anybody know of a good VMM, btw?
Not that I have enough disk space to make it worth while (1.9Mb,
currently)

regards,
-curry

-- 
Mail me a kipper, I'll be spoked for breakfast.

_Replying to a message_:

  From:  Daniel Thornton <thewibble@cwcom.net>
   Via:  Amiga Format mailing list <afb@egroups.com>
 Dated:  Friday, 12-Nov-99, 00:19:23
 About:  [afb] Re: ADMIN: Readme 


Hello Daniel,

>> You're going to get people replying for hours at least, before they
>> even see your message, days even, for some people.

> If people are taking that long to reply to threads, then the very
> least they should do is check that it has not already been covered by
> someone else. Simple netiquette (gnngh).

It's not quite a simple as that.  For example, it's not uncommon to
download hundreds of messages in a day.  Write your replies, then send
them *after* reading all the incoming mail, just to check you're not
duplicating something.

In the meantime though, several other replies have already been sent, by
other people, that you haven't read, or even know about.  If you always
downloaded every message before sending your replies, you'd never send
any replies.

Bye,
Tim.  (B.A. T.L.M.N.)

-- 

http://www.picknowl.com.au/homepages/tim_seifert
mailto:tim_seifert@picknowl.com.au

(Modbury, near Adelaide, South Australia)
   
Video productions, electronics engineering, service and technical
support, and more.  For further information visit the web site.

***  DO  NOT  SEND  JUNK  MAIL  *** 

Hi Andy,

On 11-Nov-99 this ASCII block fell out of your virtual mouth: [afb] Re: 3=
=2E5 wishlist update notification

>> Not all Amigas have the ability to softkick a ROM (you need an MMU
>> for that)
> =

> If an MMU is needed, how come I managed to softkick my ec030?

It *is* possible to softkick a ROM without an MMU. But you have to
create a relocation table for that ROM image, so it can be positioned any=
where within the CPU's address space (i.e. Fast RAM).

For example, Amiga executables usually contain relocation tables, this is=
 why they can be scatter loaded throughout the memory.

ROM images that don't have any form of relocation table need an MMU to
be softkicked. All ROM images that Commodore-Amiga ever produced were
meant to be fixed at address $f80000, and had no from of relocation table=
=2E

> Still on MMU's, I also have a full 030, but the MMU is shown as Not
> in use, is it somehow knackered or what? :/

The OS doesn't use or need the MMU. You need to start some software like =
Enforcer or MMULib to take advantage of it.

Regards, Andrew Bell.
-- =


+----------------------------------------+ =

email: mailto:andrew.ab2000@bigfoot.com or
       mailto:andrew@ab2000.prestel.co.uk
web:   http://www2.prestel.co.uk/ab2000
+----------------------------------------+
"Us, and them, and after all we're only ordinary men" -Floyd

> I did however find it disappointing that we are to be "bullied" into bu=
ying OS3.5. =


Bullied? hahaha... Buy OS3.5 or we'll send Big Ron round with a baseball =
bat :)

> I am all for progress, but there has to be a point to it. If OS3.5 had =
been revolutionary =

> and added a lot of new or improved features then I would definitely sup=
port it. I won't =

> buy something just "to keep the Amiga alive". I don't think it will mak=
e a blind bit of =

> difference in the long term anyway.

<sigh> If Haage and Partner don't sell 20,000 copies of 3.5, they wont ma=
ke 3.6, 3.7, 4.0 etc. etc. New and revolutionary features in the OS simpl=
y wont *ever* appear if you dont support their efforts to upgrade our OS =
for us. Do you see?



=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
so long and thanks for all the fish
      http://fly.to/Mr_Tickle
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

Real meanings #2:
WINDOWS: Will Install Needless Data On Whole System

>  I shouldn't think that you'd get blinding results with an 030 25Mhz, b=
ut
> with all the features turned off then you might hear something.  Paul (=
S4A
> Coder) is concetrating mainly on the WarpOS version these days and the
> emthasis is on featured and quality emulation.

Sorry about re-stating my question, but does it sound any better than the=
 PlaySID emulation, which sounds pretty good anyway IMHO?

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
so long and thanks for all the fish
      http://fly.to/Mr_Tickle
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

Real meanings #7:
COBOL: Come On, Bloody 'Orrible Language

> > Still on MMU's, I also have a full 030, but the MMU is shown as Not in
> > use, is it somehow knackered or what? :/
>
> The same happened when I used my good old Blizzard 1230/IV. It has a
> full 030, yet things like ARTM and CPU say Not in Use. ????????
>
> Paul
> =====
> Fortune favours the bold.
> Visit the Amipal website: http://www.geocities.com/amipal/

The MMU won't be put into use unless you turn on the CPU caches...
(Something like this anyway..)

This is what I run: CPU FASTROM CACHE BURST (From my User Startup) and it
copies the contents of my ROM into fastram and turns on my Caching and Burst
mode. It also has the nice side effect of speeding things up considerably.

Regards,
Jack

Dear fellows,
Let's face it: Amiga is living it's last moments as a computer... it's
passing away!
Gateway's new product is just a mommy. If you want to let Gateway hear your
voice or listen to your message here is a simple, yet effective, plan:
Let's use the free web hosting sites to do so; a one-page webpage is to be
uploaded by every one of us (Amigans) on all free websites such as
geocities, xoom, angelfire, globe, nettaxi, spree...etc.
This page will hold our message, and will be one of the first hits when
someone searches for: Gateway, best PC, multimedia, Microshit, best
computer... you know what I mean.
We can also put this message within the description of the site while
registering the page to any search engine.

A bad consequence of this act is that those hosts might filter out any Amiga
related page :)

Barbaric, yet effective.
Wajdy.

Hi Neil,
 
> The PDA feature was interesting, but at the moment, not a lot of use.
No
> money, but I'll be sure to look back on it since it would be nice to
get
> something portable which can be used with my Amiga.

I too found thing interesting, if not relevant to me.  The one thing
Im concerned about with these four pages isnt the text - its the
images!

Ben - did someone have a bad paint day?  What is with the extremely
bad pattern fill?  Its eating into the PDA's and the pens and the
cables.  It looks Awful!

(If it was intentional  then please dont *ever* do it again.  A big
slap on the wrists for all concerned!)

There's also a couple of speeling mistakes this time round!  Hmmm. 
Damned if I can find them agian though.

Otherwise a very good mag again.

Oh, one last thing - are we not getting the extra Christmas Edition? 
You refer to this as as the Christmas edition (on the CD notice, front
cover) but its not very christmassy.  And the next issue is a 2K one.

Bifford the Youngest.

Hi Godzilla,

On 12-Nov-99 this ASCII block fell out of your virtual mouth: [afb] Re: 3=
=2E5 wishlist update notification

> The MMU won't be put into use unless you turn on the CPU caches...
> (Something like this anyway..)

Not quite :) The CPU caches and MMU are independent from each other.

The OS does not use the MMU, so naturally it's inactive. You need to
run MMU specific software like Enforcer to take advantage it.

Regards, Andrew Bell.
-- =


+----------------------------------------+ =

email: mailto:andrew.ab2000@bigfoot.com or
       mailto:andrew@ab2000.prestel.co.uk
web:   http://www2.prestel.co.uk/ab2000
+----------------------------------------+
Is that toupe or is a TRIBBLE on your head?

Hello friends,

Thank you very much for your concern about my suitation. :))

I am writing a letter regarding to take back my Apollo from Analogic but 
following to a comment of my friend in New Zealand, the chance is very 
limit...

I can't use my A1200 more than a year but I've just renew my subscridtion of 
AF.  It is because I like Amiga.  However if upgrade to OS3.5 and PPC is not 
yet a reality, my Amiga won't able to support AF's new icon type.

I think you can understand using PC (I've bought 1 for about UKP450)is my 
only choice to keep contact with Amiga world at the mean time.

Ben, or any nice amigan, please try our best to let Amiga Co. know our, the 
enduser, developers, supplies, programmers, need.

Happy Amiga Computing!

Henry

P.S. I dont want to hurt you but I did received a priate mail on 30 October 
by the Amiga Co. Web Master, Mathias to say that "unfortunatly I have to 
leave Amiga, too" :[


______________________________________________________

andy kinsella <andy.k-@ukonline.co.uk> wrote: 
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/afb/?start=36579

> You can't :(

I was afraid of this.
thanx anyway


maarten

Hello Matthew

On 09-Nov-99, you wrote:

>> Now, burning question: How do *you* pronounce oregano?
> 
> orry - gar - no

Mr. Drummand ain't gonna be happy about this topic.. Keep it up ;-)
L8rs

4-0

<sb>
<sb>A4000 CyberStorm 040, pIV, 74mb, 4.3gb HD
<sb>*eMAIL* 4-0@beamer.u-net.com
<sb>*URL* http://www.beamer.u-net.com
<sb>*IRC* DalNET --> AmIRC & Amigagames
<sb>

I say T-may-tow
You say T-marr-tow

Hi All

Have got  to  Re-route my extension from the Bt socket  in the hall to the
back room Where the computer is. The BT box thing in the hall is the type
that
 you pull out the bottem section and plug your main phone into thus
disconecting
anything I may have cocked up.

Q1      Can some one tell me what leads go  to what  numbers ,  theres quite
a few in a cable.

Q2      The Route up the wall and through the floor space will if  i take
the short route run accross some electric cables Is this a problem, or
should i take a long route and avoid the ring main cables. This route makes
my extension cable about
25 metres in length.  nearly 10 metres longer.  Is length a problem.



thanks    Burt.

Hi.

The other day I installed Syndicate on DH1: and I was playing it quite 
happily, then I saved it, and when it finished saving, I turned it off.
I turned it onthe next day, and it was validating the hard drive, which I 
don't mind, as most HD Installed games seem to do that when you save to hard 
drives anyway (I think! I HOPE!)
Well, after about five minutes, it was still going, then it crashed.
YES, it CRASHED whilst validating.
It then reset and tried to validate again, but then crashes and resets 
before it finishs.

Well, I thought "Ah, boot with no Startup-sequence" as I thought it might be 
something in the Startup-sequence making it crash, but no, it still crashed 
after a bit, before it finished.

Well, I got a bit pissed of, so I went into the Early bootup screen and 
disabled DH1: and it booted Okay, except for the assigns and programs on the 
Partition.
I WOULD format it again, but it has all my stuuf on, and I can't get to 
mount it without it crashing, so formatting it is a bit dificult.

F*CKING SYNDICATE!

Please advise!

PLEASE!!!!!!


Pete.

PS Also, I can't format the drive as the Person I brought the A4000 off 
never sent me the WB3.0 disks....:o) <= Tudor?

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